Why no women presidents?

Seems kind of weird that no women have ever been elected president of the United States. Lots of other countries have elected women leaders. What’s wrong with this one?

I have a problem over the attitude that you always have to have a man in charge. In John Lennon’s last interview with Rolling Stone in 1980, he mocked the presidential elections–“Every four years we elect our daddy. We always have to have a daddy to take care of us.” Seriously, the patriarchy is really old hat and a wor-out concept by now. The idea that you have to have a big boss man in charge finds its ultimate result in dictators like Saddam Hussein. Father knows best and all that.

I would like to see a woman elected for a change, to alleviate the heavy feeling of patriarchy that we always get from this presidential stuff. Personally, I’m waiting for Chelsea in 2016.

(All right, I know that was a rant, but there’s an actual General Question at the core of it.)

Because the Democrats and Republicans both have failed to nominate a woman. Talk to them.

It may be true that “lots of other countries” have elected women, but how many countries have elected more than one woman president or prime minister? So if the question is, “What’s wrong with this country in comparison with other countries?”, I’d have to answer: Nothing. We’re just still waiting for Mrs. Right.

(A good question: Has any country elected two or more women to head of state? I can’t think of any, but I’ll admit I’m ignorant and too lazy to look it up.

[sup][sub]BTW Jomo, do you realize there is a Doper named Mojo Jojo?
It’ll get confusing; IMHO you should’ve stuck with ishmintingas.[/sub][/sup]

The political parties pick their candidates, the people then choose which of those candidates to elect.

You need a woman to stay involved in politics, raising lots of cash for the party, being at a visible elected level, and being there long enough or connected enough to call in favors.

Mrs. Clinton has a good shot at it, IMHO better than Mr. Gore, for 2004.

FYI, I have been using the moniker “Jomo Mojo” since 1980, when I published short stories under that byline, long before that cartoon monkey came along, so I have more of a right to it than anyone. Besides, it’s directly based on my real name. I was tired of “ishmintingas.”

Yeah, but the vast majority have not. The U.S. is not at all unusual. The ones I can think of off-hand are Israel, the U.K., Sri Lanka, India, Pakistan, Ireland (I think), Norway (I think), Suriname (I think), Argentina, Nicaragua, the Philippines, and Panama (currently). Of course several, but not all, were elected as a surrogate for their deceased husbands. But with more than 190 countries, and even accounting for the fact that many are not democracies, the percentage is still very small.

How many more could be added to this group of 12?

My fifth post to the SDMB addressed this very subject in this thread (it gets a little hijacked into a discussion of Margaret Thatcher, and my link to the list of world leaders seems to be defunct, but there’s some good information there).

Here is the membership list for the Council of Woman World Leaders.

Helen Clark, the current Prime Minister of New Zealand, succeeded another woman, Jenny Shipley.

It’s only a matter of time for the U.S.

I would vote for Hillary, but my hope is especially on Chelsea in 2016. Go Chelsea!

Here’s a list of the first 10 women to be elected prime minister or president in any country in the world (taken from The Top 10 of Everything: 2001 by Russell Ash):

1.Sirimavo Bandaranaike, Sri Lanka, 1960-1965, 1970-1977, 1994-Present
2. Indira Gandhi, India, 1966-1977, 1980-1984
3. Golda Meir, Israel, 1969-1974
4. Maria Estela Peron, Argentina, 1974-1976
5. Elisabeth Domitien, Central African Republic, 1975-1976
6. Margaret Thatcher, U.K., 1979-1990
7. Maria Lurdes Pintasilgo, Portugal, 1979-1980
8. Vigdis Finnbogadottir, Iceland, 1980-Present
9. Mary Eugenia Charles, Dominica, 1980-1995
10. Gro Harlem Brundtland, 1981, 1986-1989, 1990-1996

And just for comparison, from the same page (63) of that book, is a list of the 10 parliaments in the world with the highest percentage of women in them:

  1. Sweden 42.7%
  2. Denmark 37.4%
  3. Finland 37.0%
  4. Norway 36.4%
  5. Netherlands 36.0%
  6. Iceland 34.9%
  7. Germany 30.9%
  8. South Africa 30.0%
  9. New Zealand 29.2%
  10. Cuba 27.6%

(In the U.S., as of the last Congress, it was 13.3%. Worldwide, the percentage is 13%. Can someone tell me what the percentage is for the newly elected Congress?)

O.K., there are several things to be noted here. Let me slowly work up to an answer to the question in the OP.

First, a number of the early elected women prime ministers and presidents were part of a political family in countries where, although the president or prime minister is supposedly elected, really it’s more like a powerful family chooses which member is to be the new leader and this decision is rubber-stamped by the legislature or the populace. (Um, perhaps the U.S. has just joined the list of those countries.) I think that accounts for the early appearance of an elected women leader in Sri Lanka, India, Argentina, the Central African Republic, and perhaps Dominica and Portugal.

Second, it’s interesting to note that one thing common in many other countries of the world, a politician whose term as leader of his or her party last decades, not just years, hardly ever happens in the U.S. It’s hard for a President to stay as the most influential man in his party just for the eight years of two terms. In other countries though, a leader can serve three terms over several decades as the party comes into and out of favor in the country. (This may be a good or a bad thing, but it should be noted.)

Third, the U.S. appears to be about average as far as number of women elected to significant political offices compared with other countries of the world.

Fourth, in no country does a majority of the legislature consist of women, despite the fact that in nearly every country of the world a slight majority of the voters are female. The only countries in which the percentage of women as legislators is in the same ballpark as the percentage of voters are those countries in northern Europe which tend to be ahead on lots of issues like this: Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Netherlands, Iceland, and Germany.

Fifth, for those of you not old enough to remember any time before 1970, it’s only been about three or four decades that the idea of a women becoming president has even been thinkable anywhere in the world. Remember, the women’s liberation movement (as a mass movement, not as a set of intellectual manifestos) dates from about 1970. It’s a decade younger than the civil rights movement and about the same age as the gay liberation movement. Yes, there were some important writings in the early '60’s, but I think of those as being intellectual manifestos, not a signs of a mass movement.

Even though women had the right to vote before 1970, the right to be elected to any office, and there were token numbers of women in many professions, there were hardly any influential professions or political offices with more than token (say, more than 10%) numbers of women in them. It’s hard to force yourself to remember now just how fast things changed. Given that it was nearly unthinkable before 1960 for a women to be elected President, note that we have had only nine Presidential elections in the U.S. since 1960. Of the 27 different Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates nominated by the two major parties since then, one of them has been a women.

So why has there been no women Presidents in the U.S. then? The superficial answer is that no major party has nominated a women as President yet, but I think you want an answer to the question, “Why has no major party nominated a women as President yet?”. Well, go back and look at what I just wrote: It’s only been four decades that it was thinkable for a women to be President. The progress of women towards equality is no faster in the U.S. than the average for the whole world. We’ve only had nine Presidential elections since then (and we’ve already had one female major-party Vice-Presidential candidate).

The reasons I’ve given may be enough in themselves to explain the paucity of women, but it seems to me that there’s another reason specific to the U.S. In the U.S., the way a person becomes President is not by becoming head of his political party, as it is in most of the rest of the world. In most of the world, a President has to work his way up in party politics over many years. In the U.S., a person can bypass party politics entirely by running in primaries (using lots of TV ads) and presenting himself as the candidate at the convention, almost without any of the party regulars even having met him. What matters more in the U.S. then is more a matter of charisma, the ability to present himself as a candidate on TV and in public appearances, and less a matter of the backslapping friendliness and wheeling-and-dealing behind the scenes at party political events. Charisma is something that almost by definition is easier for men. A man who presents himself on TV as a confident leader is considered Presidential material, no matter what positions he espouses. A women who does the same is considered a controlling bitch. Not fair, to be sure, but that’s how it is.

The first woman to run for president in the United States was Victoria Woodhull way back in 1872, before it was legal.

The next time a woman ran for president, IIRC, was 100 years later: Shirley Chisholm in 1972. When she declared her candidacy, my Scholastic Weekly Reader had a headline: “A Black Woman for President? Shirley You’re Kidding!” She had already made history in 1968 when she was elected the first black congresswoman. Rowan & Martin’s Laugh-In had a mock news report and said when Shirley Chisholm arrived at the Capitol to take her congressional seat, she was handed a mop and bucket.

Was it actually illegal for a woman to run for prez? I’d thought Woodhull’s was a symbolic impossible-to-win campaign, not necessarily an illegal one. Did the laws denying women’s suffrage (in most states, Wyoming being one notable exception) also deny the right to run for national office?

There are presently 79 women in Congress (if I remembered the stat in the paper correctly). Out of 535 total members of Congress (House + Senate), that’s 14.7%

There is one vacancy in the House, but I don’t believe any women are considered contenders for that seat.

Interesting thing to ponder, but I’d wager that if say it was Colin Powell that beat Al Gore, he would be assasinated. It’s a horrible thing to say, but I know I would be afraid for my life to be the first black President. We have a history of killing Presidents who too strongly supported non-whites (Lincoln, Kennedy) - imagine what would happen to a President who wasn’t white?

Would a woman president face the same fate? Probably not - I don’t think gender bias is as strong in the U.S. as racial bias, but it is something I’m sure every woman politicians with Presidential aspirations must contemplate.

I just want to add that Canada had a woman prime minister before Chretien’s Liberals knocked her off after she was in power for a couple of months. She resigned her leadership of her party shortly thereafter, took up with a much younger man and moved to California. I’m so embarrassed, because I just can’t remember her name. She is probably the last prime minister her party, the Progressive Conservatives who’ve been around since confederation,will ever claim as their own.

Just previously, in British Columbia, we had a woman Premier(prime minister) named Rita Johnson who was in power for a couple of months before she too was booted out of office and her party, once a major institution of the province virtually dropped off the radar screen.

In all fairness to these women however it was their predecessors who were responsible for their demise.

Apparently, Kim Campbell didn’t make much of an impression on you grienspace.

Campbell not only lost the election for the Conservatives, but they lost so badly, that they lost official party status.

Based on the info and links provided by SpoilerVirgin and Wendell, and from what I can recall, I come up with this minimum list:

  1. Argentina
  2. Bangladesh (2)
  3. Canada (but not popularly elected)
  4. Central African Republic
  5. Dominica
  6. Finland
  7. France
  8. Guyana (I was thinking of this when I said Suriname)
  9. Iceland
  10. Ireland (2)
  11. India
  12. Israel
  13. Latvia
  14. Lithuania
  15. New Zealand (2)
  16. Nicaragua
  17. Norway
  18. Pakistan
  19. Panama
  20. Philippines
  21. Poland
  22. Portugal
  23. Sri Lanka (2)
  24. Switzerland
  25. Turkey
  26. U.K.

plus two dependencies:

Bermuda
Netherlands Antilles

Maybe I’ve overlooked a few. More than I would have guessed off hand. Lots of “socially liberal” countries (Scandinavia), but also a surprising number from rather patriarchal societies. The ones from Argentina, India, Guyana, Nicaragua, Pakistan, Panama, and Philipines, at least, mostly owed their initial elections to their relationship to a deceased husband or father, but a couple became powerful politicians in their own right (Indira Gandhi, e.g.).

As for Victoria Woodhull, although women didn’t have the vote at the time, AFAIK there was nothing that legally would have prevented her from being elected, and serving subsequently.

[chris rock]
You know America will never let a black vice-president get elected with a white president. Why? Because a black guy would kill the white president on Inauguration Day, so we’d have a black president.
[/chris rock]

Rock’s joking aside, I think there would be some added danger to being the white male president while there is a minority and/or woman as veep.

Boy there’s a lot of idle speculation and leaps of logic in this thread. But that’s more for Great Debates. Allow me to correct on teeny tiny little error of fact.

In 1964, Sen. Margaret Chase Smith of Maine ran for President. Back in those days of smoke-filled room conventions, it was normal for one or more candidates to be “favorite sons” less interested in actually becoming President than in controlling a block of delegates in exchange for some good old horse-trading, and Smith fell into that category. Nevertheless, she was on the ballot in several primaries and did have delegates pledged to her.

It’s been years since I studied Woodhull, but if memory serves she was actually too young to hold the office of president.

The Phillipines now has a second woman head.

Denmark has had several queens lately, haven’t they?