Why not live together?

One of the differences I experienced with my recent girlfriend is that she had no desire to life together if we were not married.

Now, it never became a bone of contention because we never got far enough for it to become one, but if there weren’t other clear differences, it very well might have been. When I pressed her for a reason why she had this outlook her answer was simply, “What’s the point?”. Well, I pretty much accepted that and didn’t dig deeper.

But I’m still curious.

So outside of obvious reasons of religion, family traditions or virginity; What are your reasons for not wanting to live together?

I lived with my husband for most of 4 years before we were married, but we were engaged for much of that time. However, if we hadn’t intended to get married, I’m not sure that I would have chosen to do so for long.

I don’t know your girlfriend’s reasoning, but mine would be that without the commitment of marriage, I wouldn’t feel like I was building anything. Should we save for a house? What about financial arrangements. Dog? Are we going to have a family? Are we a family now? Obviously marriages end all the time, but you have at least made a formal commitment to try to have a future together. Otherwise, there are certain advantages to having a place of your own that I would be reluctant to sacrifice.

I’d like to expound on those.

Privacy
Space
Ability to manage your free time the way you’d like

For me, deciding to live together IS a commitment in itself, so I don’t require marriage or engagement to do it. In fact, that’s right where I am in my current relationship. Those three reasons above are why I’m fumbling around in making the decision to say “yes, let’s go ahead and live together”. I enjoy my solitude.

I’ve heard (not to my solicitations for cohabitation, mind you) Why buy the cow when the milk is free? Or in a more general sense, what would be the point of marriage if you’re already living married? I think this view might speak volumes about that person’s self-image and/or their opinion of you. So much so that it might get an idea of, “You’re right, maybe we SHOULDN’T live together.” Of course for some, the vows don’t bring any added security to the relationship either.

I’d be reluctant to shack up with someone if I felt I didn’t know them well enough or if I didn’t feel I wanted to answer to that person for my daily routine to the degree that one does with a full-on spouse.

I don’t know. I kinda like to know what I’m in for. Nothing challenges a relationship like co-habitating.

As for the cow and milk argument… what are you not getting while living separately but spending half your time cashing at the other’s pad?

I guess the “my own space” argument is the most compelling. Of course, if that’s the case, marriage is not in the cards anyway.

Sorry and all that, but quite often it involves something called ‘keeping your options open.’

Agreed. “Try before you buy” has never made more sense to me than it does lately.

Au contraire!

I have been married before, and lived with a man before. And I’ll do it again. But for the past couple of years, I’ve lived alone. And you know what? I really, really love it.

I’m just trying to get used to the thought of sharing my space again. But it doesn’t mean NEVER. It just means right now.

YMMV of course.

My flip answer to this question was to ask if you’ve ever watched the Poeple’s Court or Judge Judy.

There are real consequences to cohabitating with out marriage, trying to figure out who bought what when being one of them. That’s almost a non issue in a typical roomate situation. Sure it’s not romantic to think in such terms, but in the real world relationships end more often that not and in those situations at least your stuff is more or less unmingled (is that a word?).

I would have to say I feel like your girlfriend, “what is the point?” It is hard to explain, but I will give it a shot…

For me it comes down to this: When you decide to live with someone, generally it is because you know them and like them well enough to think, “Hey, this is someone I can live with. We can cut expenses, do the things we like to do together, we’ll have a chance to see what we really think of each other, why not?”

Deciding to marry someone is the ultimate committment, life as you knew it as a single person no longer exists. Every major ( and even some minor) decision you make will have a affect on another person and you need to consider that. You give up the above mentioned things, privacy, space, time, as well as to vow to forsake all others. For me to do that translates to “Hey, this is someone I can’t live without.”

So living together= I can live with this person…

Marriage= I can’t live without this person…

The benefits of having a roommate I was romantically involved with did not outweigh the benefits of being single and living alone. Some people don’t value space, time, and privacy as much as others. Those people are quick to move in with someone they can live with.

I put a high value on those things. I was only willing to give them up when I met someone I truly wanted to spend the rest of my life with. I couldn’t imagine not being with him. And once I met that person, there was no reason to live together first. We both wanted to start building a life together, and for us that meant marriage.

Been there. Lived together for almost 5 years after 6 months of dating. It was the right decision.

Married her. Lived together for another 10 years and had two kids. It was the right decision that ended badly.

No guarantees, I realize.

I’ve never cohabitated. I have no desire to ever give up the things I enjoy about having my own place.

I must confess that after 15 years of cohabitation, having my own place gives me a wonderful sense of peace and tranquility much of the time. It worries me that I may miss it terribly if circumstances were to change now.

I notice that people in their 30’s and 40’s and so on, who’ve never been married or lived with someone, tend to feel that alone is better than changing their lives to accomodate someone else in their space on a daily basis. I don’t know if that’s wrong or right but I don’t think I want to become like that. I do see how it can happen.

I guess a lot of it depends on the person’s personality, and their circumstances in life. You probably know people like I do on the other end of that scale. The ones that as soon as they break-up with one person, within weeks they have moved in with someone else. I couldn’t imagine living like that, but it seems to work for them.

For pretty much the entire time I was single, I was on the road 5 days a week. I would teach a class, or give a motivational type seminar. At the end of the day I was exhausted, had used up my allotment of words, and was so happy to just be by myself. I had trouble dating because I would often be asked out by people who saw me at work, and were expecting a highly energenic, enthusiastic date. But after a week of “being up” for 10 hours at time, I just wanted to relax, not talk, and not doing anything that required much thought. In other words, I was a boring date. When I met my now husband though, for some reason all that changed. I remember knowing he was the one, when after a tough week on the road, we took a trip together and I told him, “Being with you is like being being alone.” Normally not a compliment, but he understood. His reply was, “And I was a very happy bachelor, until I met you.”

So maybe the key is finding the person that fits with you in such a way that is so great that you don’t even realize what you are giving up to be with them. It isn’t even an issue.

Fortunately, I’ve been lucky enough to experience this as well. So I know it’s possible.

I’m 33 (for another week, anyway), and have lived on my own for 11 years – for the past year I’ve been without a pet, even. Not so much as a goldfish, or a houseplant. I know that, when the time comes, living with someone will be a pain in the ass … for both of us. I’m very used to being on my own – a little “old, and set in my ways” – and it will be one hell of an adjustment. But it’s an adjustment I look forward to, because I believe that the logistics and the settling in and the petty household arguments will be worth it.

For me, living with someone will be just as big a committment as getting married. I’ll only become a POSSLQ if that’s how I would be happy to live for the rest of my life, not as some kind of means to an end, and I fully intend to live with my partner before we marry. In fact, for the past few years I’ve often thought that I don’t even need to get married: I’d probably like to marry the man I love at some point, but I’m in no hurry and it’s never been my goal – what keeps me awake at night is wishing for someone to share my life with, not for someone to walk down an aisle with. Some people see no distinction between those two things, but I do.

(Heh … “I do” … ;))

So, maybe I’m an exception to the rule, but I can’t imagine being jealous or possessive of my space when the time comes to live with someone, no matter how old I am. I will never have another platonic roommate (og willing), because I am jealous and possessive of my space in that regard, but I, too, hope that I never become someone who would rather have my own place than share a home with a partner.

A summation of my cohabitation history:

In my mid 20s I shared a townhouse with a woman for one year. What I had assumed was a romantic relationship turned Platonic a month into this, and it took several more months before I realized what most of my friends had known all along - she was just looking for someone to pay the bills while she pursued her own interests. We separated amicably, and years later she sent me $3000 for her share of the rent & utilities for that year. (She’d received an inheritance.) She’s currently “married” to another woman, and while we haven’t seen each other in years, we’re on amicable terms.

A few years later, a female friend and I decided to share an apartment to save on living expenses. There was absolutely no romantic interest between us at the time, but after two years we decided to get married. I couldn’t tell you under threat of torture why; it just seemed “right” at the time. We were together for 20 years, until she died last January.

I’m currently “dating” someone I met online. I visit her at least once a month, and when I retire next year I’m moving to where she’s living. The current plan is for me to get an apartment for a year, just to give us time to adjust to being able to spend more time together, but we both think it highly likely that we’re going to end up living together. Marriage has been dismissed as an option, for various reasons too complex to go into here, but barring a major conflict which has not yet revealed itself, we both want to spend the rest of our lives together.

Shortly after my wife died I went through a brief spell of feeling guilty because I occasionally thought about how nice it was to be living alone again, and enjoying my new independence and freedom. And now I feel absolutely no qualms about giving that up. I suppose that illustrates Grits and Hard Toast’s point as well as anything else.

One other contribution to the topic, for what it’s worth: After my parents divorced my father met someone and they spent 25 years together without benefit of official recognition. I asked him recently why they never married, and he said, “Getting a piece of paper wouldn’t change how we felt about each other, so we never bothered.”

I’m in my 40’s and have never been married but did have a lengthy cohabitation. I also had a lengthy relationship that did not involve cohabitation.

If I ever get that serious again, I believe I would forego the cohabitation again.

To me, it’s way too much of a sacrifice without getting “guarantees”. Too much privilege without the responsibility. Like someone upthread mentioned, when you combine a household without anything legally making it a household sometimes the headaches just aren’t worth it. There’s always the “yours” and “mine” to keep track of, and there’s never a “ours”.

As an example of how I feel, I had this conversation with, um, “Cohab” once:

Cohab: “So, what am I to lorinado jr?”

Me: “What do you mean?”

Cohab: “Well, ‘my girlfriend’s son’ is so awkward. Surely there’s a name for that relationship.”

Me: “Yes, there is. It’s ‘I’m too insecure to actually marry her and call him my stepson but I still want the fancy privilege of forging a formally named relationship with her kid to denote that I have a responsibility to go along with the privilege even though that responsibility is one I’ve chosen to avoid.’ But since that’s even more awkward maybe you ought to stick with ‘girlfriend’s son’.”

Another reason:

I suffer from two chronic conditions that could result in my death. Now, it’s not LIKELY but it is possible. One time while Cohab was around I had a lengthy hospital stay when one of those conditions did nearly do me in. Apparently, when it looked like I was going to kick the bucket, my mom told Cohab he better start packing. He was living in my apartment that had my name on the lease that was being powered with utilities that were in my name. His stuff was in storage while we used my stuff. My mom made it clear to him that he had no standing and they were going to close my apartment down and hopefully he will have found another apartment of his own before they were finished. I realized if we had decided to keep his apartment instead of mine, and something happened to him, I could be legally evicted within a matter of days. Even if we had put me on the lease, the fact that I would have to basically turn over to his family anything that was his could put me in a very big bind. Even in our set-up, I would be in a big bind if something happened to him, because we had things like cable contracts, car payments, and stuff like that that I wouldn’t have been able to afford without his income, too. If we were married, it wouldn’t even be an issue.

And now I’m even older. I’m in my late 40’s, and everyone knows us geezers don’t like change! :wink: Plus, I no longer rent, I own. That would throw a really big monkey wrench into things. I would then have to either empty out and rent my house, sell it, or have my partner move in with me, basically rent-free (unless I started the nightmare of charging him rent!)

There’s so many things I would be willing to do if it came with the legal and emotional security that “piece of paper” brings. No, no one can guarantee a marriage will last, but at least the law is there to help you pick up the pieces. And a marriage is a lot harder to throw away than a girlfriend, so people tend to work harder at making them work.

But after both my long-term relationships, one with and one without cohabitation, I really don’t think I would or could do it again.

It’s not a matter of being “set in my ways” because I have no desire to NOT get married some day (although at my age I have accepted that I probably never will). I just don’t want to give up so much with no guarantees or legal or emotional or social support again.

I need to be alone on a regular basis. I want to have my own place, where I can do whatever I want whenever I want.

I think I would now have a hard time living with someone on a permanent basis. I only did so once, with my first girlfriend (for 5 years). Since, I had a gf at whose place I was staying essentially all the time except for a couple days here and there and another who was living only a couple hundred yards away, resulting in us being together essentially all the time too, but I always kept my own place.

I suspect that now, the only situation where I would consider living with a SO on a permanent basis would be if we had children.

I can’t imagine marrying someone without living together first as you really don’t know a person until you’ve lived together. I learned this the hard way in a completely nonromantic roommate situation. The girl (she was my friend at one point) seemed nice and relatively reasonable, if strange before we moved in together. Turns out she’s a total nutjob with control freak tendencies. One Sunday morning she woke me up at like 7:30 to yell at me about how someone moved the pots and pans to another shelf. Anyway, then and there I swore that I would never get married without living with them first.

I say this not ever having done it, but ask me in a few months, as my boyfriend is moving in next week.