The smokers I have asked told me that they don’t get a buzz from e-cigs that they do from real tobacco.
It’s genetic. Some people get a buzz, others don’t. I am grateful that I don’t, because I spent enough time with smokers to smoke a few times, and I could never understand the attraction.
a. Do you have any basis for that “convinced”? Why do *you *think you know better than conventional science? Conventional science has narrowed in on what’s toxic in cigarettes, and it’s a buncha stuff. And those substances are either absent or only in trace amounts in vape fluid. So what logical basis do you go from “mostly it’s purified nicotine, water, and propylene glycol, warmed up” to “I am convinced this isn’t safer”.
I think a more realistic view would be “it probably is safer, and it’s worth the risk. However, it’s not risk free and if I *could *quit smoking entirely, I would”. (if you were a smoker)
As a side note, dip was supposed to be risk free. It turns out to cause throat cancer. But a lesser known fact is the absolute risk is still half that of cigarettes. Doing dip is bad, but half as bad as smoking in terms of potentially dying from it.
b. I guess you can’t be “convinced” that bolt action rifles are a superior weapon to a flintlock in every combat scenario where you need to fire more than once, eh.
How do you make your own? Do you start with tobacco leaves?
I order flavour and “base,” which is nicotine (I prefer organically grown tobacco, cold-pressed) at the strength I want, in vegetable glycerin. The right proportions, and I can make however much I want.
I’ve never smoked tobacco, but the tech involved in vaping has made me almost wish I liked nicotine’s effects. When I ask my smoking friends why they don’t vape they tell me they like smoking. Not just the effect of nicotine, but the entire process.
I can understand. I smoke cannabis on a daily basis. I own several vaporizers. While I may pull out a vaporizer for guests, on a day to day basis I prefer traditional smoking. The feel of a favorite pipe, the act of rolling a perfect joint, the burble of a bong, the taste of burning weed, it’s all a part of the experience. Vaporizing is “too sterile”.
My husband (2-pack a day smoker if he doesn’t pay attention to it) tried vaping a few times. He gave up in part because, for him, it doesn’t come close to delivering the nicotine hit he wants/needs. From what I understand, with vaping, one doesn’t’ need to draw it as hard nor as deep as one does with cigarettes.
I don’t know anybody who vapes. To me, it seems to be more of a kid thing, much like what pot paraphanalia stores were to my generation (ooh, forbidden and therefore desirable!)
I’ve smoked hand-rolled cigarettes on and off for years, but rarely smoking more than one a day. There were some periods where I didn’t smoke tobacco at all, and some when I’d have an occasional cigar. It really varied. In the past year or so, I’ve smoked one hand-rolled cigarette each morning with my coffee. The cigarette is rolled with thin rice paper and the tobacco is either a Burley/Virginia blend, or Samsun.
For the past few years, I have also “vaped” occasionally. At one point I used to just buy Blu disposable e-cigarettes and puff them from time to time…if I was sitting in traffic and bored, if I was at my desk and felt like a little nicotine hit, that sort of thing. Never went through them habitually. I guess I have some kind of immunity from becoming full-on addicted to nicotine. It’s like, I can use it selectively without needing it all the time.
I recently went to a vapor store where you could sample many different kinds of e-liquid. I mean MANY kinds…innumerable “craft” blends as well as more name-brand ones. I’ll tell you, there’s a goddamn plethora of flavors available for vaporizers. But none of them, NONE of them, are similar to tobacco. I left the store with a basic vaporizer about the size of a Magic Marker, with interchangable tanks, and a bottle of “Tobacco” flavored liquid. It tastes like somewhere between coffee, vanilla, butterscotch, and a slight hint of freshly baked bread. This isn’t altogether bad, and I’ve enjoyed puffing it here and there…usually while driving, or at work in my office (which is in my house, hence the relaxed rules.) Some mornings I puff the vaporizer with my coffee, some mornings I smoke the cigarette.
I think that, eventually, as they refine the technology and develop the flavor profiles, vapor can be made to be much more similar to tobacco - maybe even virtually indistinguishable from the real thing. If this happens, I expect vaping to almost completely replace cigarettes. But only if it happens. Until then, the vapor is just too unlike real tobacco smoke for those who prefer the latter to give it up.
I suspect your husband was really just not getting the “throat hit” that he expects as you can get pretty high nicotine level juice.
It really isn’t a kid thing. I see middle age people in the vape shop all the time. I am sure the forbidden/desirable thing happens with kids to some degree, just like smoking regular cigarettes only with a cooler gadget.
I think that’s a big part of it. It’s widely viewed as an obnoxious Millennial thing so older people aren’t interested in (a) figuring out the gadgets and (b) dealing with the kids.
Have any tobacco smokers tried using one of those dried herb vaporizers? With that kind of device, it heats up loose tobacco to release the nicotine without actually burning the tobacco. It might be closer to the actual cigarette experience without all the weird hydrocarbons from combustion.
No, I am pretty confident that is only a small part of. Of course there’ll be slightly more adoption of vaping by young people, their smoking habit is less entrenched. From the CDC:
Percentage of adults who currently use e-cigarettes
18-24 > 5.1%
25-44 > 4.7%
45-64 > 3.5%
65+ > 1.4%
25-44 has a pretty decent generational divide in there.
It’s an 8% drop-off between the first and second group and a 25% drop between the second and third. I suspect the second group is front-loaded.
In my younger days “conventional science” also said smoking was fairly safe. Even as the dangers became more clear, habits are hard things to break. Heck, my doctor had an ashtray in every examination room and even to the mid-80s I could smoke in my hospital room. So all in all I’m not all that convinced. Come see me again in about 30 years; just bring a spirit board along.
But isn’t superior a little different from safer? A flint restricts me to one shot so I’m not as likely to toss lead around freely and the half-cock is a little more visual than most “safeties” on bolts. And that’s before we get into the ballistics and everything else. Combat scenarios ------ different consideration. But smoking or vapes are recreational making your comparison a little bit apples and oranges. Now if you are attacked and want to distract the attacker by blowing a cloud of smoke in his/her face --------- 
Don’t get me wrong; as a drug delivery system vapes are terrific technology. I just don’t think they are as safe as you seem to or that much better than conventional cigarettes. Doesn’t mean I want you to stop; it just means that I doubt you’ll ever see me using one.
Swampwolf, I’m glad to hear your life is saved - can you expand on what it is the vape shop needs to know/tell you? I never know enough about vaping to ask questions intelligently
Or maybe you could just accept that it’s not widely viewed as an obnoxious millennial thing. As I said, I see middle age people in the vape shops plenty.
How will that change the weakness of a data set ranging across multiple generations without any breakdown between them when trying to prove cross-generational acceptance?
If we’re just going with anecdotes, I can safely say that the vapers (?) I’ve known were younger and viewed as obnoxious about it. I also know one guy closer to 40 who is super obnoxious about it (and people talk about him as such).
I don’t know, but I’m pretty sure whatever it is you can fanwank it away too. I get it, you don’t like vaping.
I quit smoking 15+ years ago and don’t really give a shit what nicotine-delivery method people use. Since you’re hanging around vaping stores, it seems you’re much more emotionally invested in this than I am.
You seem to be confused as to what “fanwanking” means if you think it has something to do with poor use of statistics.
I don’t “hang around vape stores” for god’s sake. Yeah, I’m the one being emotional about this.
From the Surgeon General’s 2017 report:
Your list before was lacking those under 18 (I guess those aren’t Millennials). But the primary usage of e-cigarettes is easily among those high school aged through 24.
Whether or not they’re viewed as obnoxious is harder to quantify.
Uh, ok.