Guys and gals, if you’re not calling your Senators and representatives today,* you are failing Democracy as much as the Republican enablers.
*or ASAP for those of you @ work or otherwise indisposed.
“Did you ever see that? Where I could stand…”
Trump was referring to what others had said/implied he could do.
Haters gotta hate. What’s next? The message on Melania Trump’s coat that she wore in Virgina - on the same day she later visited detention centers in Texas?
In case you missed it:
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Look:
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[li]No poll ever asked “would you still vote for Trump if he shot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue.”[/li][li]Trump’s statement about what the polls “said” was made-up hyperbole, and a brag about how extremely popular he believed the polls showed him to be.[/li][li]No one but Trump said he could shoot a man and still retain votes. Polls did not say that. At all. [/li][li]The preceding points are factual; there is no other interpretation of the facts. This is basic literacy 101. What Trump said is not up for debate, nor is any context missing.[/li][li]The issue that we (speaking for the entire Left, so sue me) have is that it feels pretty gross to us to have an elected official who chooses to invent the hyperbolic interpretation of his popularity polls that he could kill a man and still get elected.[/ul][/li][/QUOTE]
Whatcha talking about? The summit was a “magnificent” performance by Trump. It was “better than super”! At least, according to the Russian foreign minister.
According to most Americans and an increasing number of Congressional Republicans as well as Democrats, not so much. Some of the early comments:
Anderson Cooper on CNN:
You’ve been watching one of the most disgraceful perfomances by an American president at a summit, in front of a Russian leader, that I’ve ever seen.
John McCain:
… "Today’s press conference in Helsinki was one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory. The damage inflicted by President Trump’s naiveté, egotism, false equivalence, and sympathy for autocrats is difficult to calculate. But it is clear that the summit in Helsinki was a tragic mistake. President Trump proved not only unable, but unwilling to stand up to Putin. He and Putin seemed to be speaking from the same script as the president made a conscious choice to defend a tyrant against the fair questions of a free press, and to grant Putin an uncontested platform to spew propaganda and lies to the world.
Former CIA Director John Brennan:
Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of “high crimes & misdemeanors.” It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???
Even with a frickin’ brain tumor, McCain is more articulate and rational than Trump on his best day.
Trump’s performance today was so egregious that Neil Cavuto… FOX’s NEIL CAVUTO… ain’t happy about it. From the CBC:
I wonder if the CIA is updating alleged plans/operations they had in the earlt to mid 60s ………
It’s tea leaf time, and the teapot is Fox. If they significantly ramp up their adoration of Pence as well as finally start to report the Russia stories, then we’ll know they’re giving the Republicans permission to impeach Trump.
Dotard on Hannity tonight.
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Look:
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[li]No poll ever asked “would you still vote for Trump if he shot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue.”[/li][li]Trump’s statement about what the polls “said” was made-up hyperbole, and a brag about how extremely popular he believed the polls showed him to be.[/li][li]No one but Trump said he could shoot a man and still retain votes. Polls did not say that. At all. [/li][li]The preceding points are factual; there is no other interpretation of the facts. This is basic literacy 101. What Trump said is not up for debate, nor is any context missing.[/li][li]The issue that we (speaking for the entire Left, so sue me) have is that it feels pretty gross to us to have an elected official who chooses to invent the hyperbolic interpretation of his popularity polls that he could kill a man and still get elected.[/ul][/li][/QUOTE]
I don’t have a cite handy, but, although you are correct that no polls had asked that question before Trump made the statement, there was at least one high-quality poll afterwards, which found that, indeed, a majority of Republicans wouldn’t consider that a deal-breaker. I know I saw it on 538 and posted about it at the time.
C’mon now Doorhinge, you’re brighter than that.
Trumps been doing that “they say” thing for a long time now. It’s his amateur move that allows him to say whatever he wants to but at the same time distance himself from it by claiming it “wasn’t him” that said it, it was an unspecified “they”.
It’s cover-your-ass 101 for fraudsters.
If you press him further on it he’ll stammmer and claim “well, that’s just what I heard, I don’t remember where I heard it from, I was given bad info, blah blah backpedal.”
Your a smart guy Doorhinge, don’t be taken in by his bullshit tactics. Makes you look the fool.
Texas Republican Congressman Will Hurd:
As a former CIA officer and a Congressman on the House Intelligence Committee, I can affirmatively say there is nothing about agreeing with a thug like Putin that puts America First.
The President is wrong. Russia interfered in the 2016 election and seeks to undermine our democracy.
Since 2016, I have called on Obama and Trump to take action against Putin. We should not start trade wars with our allies and play nice with communist tyrants.
I’ve seen Russian intelligence manipulate many people over my professional career and I never would have thought that the US President would become one of the ones getting played by old KGB hands.
To all our allies: there are still many of us in Congress that know Russia is not just an adversary to the United States but to freedom loving people everywhere.
Of course, he’s black, so he doesn’t count as a real Republican, right, Fox News?
He has the following committee assignments:
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[li]House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform[/li][LIST]
[li] Information Technology Subcommittee - Chairman[/li][/ul]
[li]House Committee on Homeland Security[/li][ul]
[li] Border and Maritime Security Subcommittee - Vice-Chair[/li][li] Counterterrorism and Intelligence Subcommittee[/li][/ul]
[li]House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence[/li][/LIST]
So, is he going to use any of that to hold Trump accountable? In particular, he is a chairman of a sub-committee. I don’t know how far he can stretch that, but I imagine he could do something if he really wanted to.
I disagree.
Trump does the “some people say” to excuse whatever vile unsubstantiated BS that comes out of his mouth.
“Some People” are saying this stuff, not me, I’m just repeated what some people say
Cite?
Well, some people are saying it.
The first post was questionable, but each of these subsequent posts are not close to acceptable. Do not personalize arguments in this fashion. If you feel you must, the Pit is right around the corner.
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for example he said “people told him” the Queen never reviewed troops in 70 years until she did it with Trump. Truth is she does it on a regular basis when foreign leaders visit her.
I flip over to Fox every now and then. They have an interesting way of “workshopping” their responses to see how they play before they go all in
The first theory they tried to advance was that, like a stern father, Trump gave Putin a sound thrashing in private and made it crystal clear that there would be hell to pay if Russia misbehaved again. But then , because Trump is a kind and gentle man, he “let Putin win” the press conference in order to ease the butthurt he’d inflected.
I guess that one didn’t play well, because last night I heard a new tactic.
Which is that the intelligence agencies are incompetent and biased and the root cause of all that wrong with America. And while Trump was absolutely right in putting them in their place in front of Putin, the “deep state” got to Trump and forced him to make the correction he made yesterday, it was an evil on the scale of a an ISIS hostage beheading tape. ( OK, they didn’t say the last part but it was some scary rhetoric.)
They don’t seem to be coming close to abandoning him for Pence. I think they are more likely to laud the Russians for their patriotiism in protecting America from the Clintons. And I think as the shoes continue to drop, that’s going to be next stop for the goalposts,
He just did it again today with this tweet:
@realDonalTrump
“So many people at the higher ends of intelligence loved my press conference performance in Helsinki. Putin and I discussed many important subjects at our earlier meeting.”
Who are these unnamed “people”? I’ll give you a clue. There are no higher intelligence “people” who loved his performance. Just another off the cuff remark he’ll never get presssed on. The only person that “loved” his performance was Putin.