Well, define “muslim scholars” for starters.
And to REPEAT myself. I did NOT defend the exact claims of the OP. For one, they aren’t exactly defendable because definitions dude/bro.
I DID offer an explanation of why somebody somewhere might buy into that idea. Which is stuff that happened in the past is why my “now” sucks. Which is common as dirt when it comes to why people dredge up that past excuse the present.
Somebody else says someone said something sometime, somewhere, and that’s good enough for you.
Pathetic.
Feel free to pick any definition you like and support it.
The OP said it.
How is that cite for you.
Game. Set. Match.
There were Mongolian forces present in the recent Afghan conflict, though fortunately they’ve moved on a bit from the 13th Century.
The citizens of Mongolia? They aren’t exactly shy about their conquering past.
Dunno if you saw my reply to your other post or not, didn’t see this one when I made it, hopefully it’s clear which “they” I was referring to, namely the propagandists of ISIS and the like, persons who you and I would not consider “muslim scholars”, though they love to call themselves that.
As to the why a bit more pertinent information on the ISIS front, namely the importance of Dabiq;*
IS named its English-language propaganda magazine after the town. It frequently quotes the deceased founder of al-Qaeda in Iraq, the precursor of IS, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, forecasting that the “spark” lit by the group in Iraq will “intensify until it burns the crusader armies in Dabiq”.*
No. You.
Though at this point it seems pretty clear you aren’t interested in having a real conversation.
I don’t know if that’s funny because its an understatement or that it is closer to the truth than one would hope.
Either way a golf clap.
I feel quite happy to leave that to the peanut gallery to decide.
Enough, both of you. Drop the sniping at one another, or take it to the Pit. No more of it in here.
NM
Well he may or may not be a Muslim depending to what conspiracy theorist you speak with ;), but Obama brought up the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast speech he gave, I mean lots of religious people do stupid shit in the name of their god, but I still thought it was kind of bizarre to bring up the Crusades, it just seemed to me like an almost trivializing of Muslim violence like oh ok we Christians did it too so there!
In all honesty any time I hear any Muslim bring up the Crusades, religious fanatic or otherwise, it seems more like they’re pissed they got their asses handed to them than anything else.
Just to put it out there I think all religions are ridiculous.
Interesting.
But how often do you hear Muslims bring up the Crusades?
Dang you schooled me, I really thought the Christians won the crusades, damn my Eurocentric education!
Perhaps because the decendents of the Khan aren’t currently meddling in the affairs of Middle Eastern Muslims, so there is no need to remind the world what atrocities they were once capable of and might presumably do again?
Personally, the last time I remember a Muslim outcry over the Crusades was over a decade ago when W Bush compared the War on Terror to the Crusades and everyone (Muslim and otherwise) lambasted him over his terrible word choice.
The bolded parts are not, so far as I’m remembering correctly, strictly correct. The Eastern Roman Emperor, in Constantinople, wrote to several European kings asking for military help against invading Turks. Mail and transportation being as slow as it was, by the time anyone came, the invasion was over. And the folks that came weren’t kings with armies, they were, in the eyes of Constantinople, rabble. From there, things devolved.
The Arab and other local populations (in Jerusalem, not Constantinople) were not invading. They’d been there for centuries.
There’s a twenty episode series (Crusades) written by Terry Jones that is a joy to watch. I recommend it highly.
The OP might have been confused about the reason ISIS calls their enemies “crusaders.” It’s not that Muslims are still bearing crosses (hehe) over what happened a thousand years ago, but it’s just that the term “crusaders” has long been used to identify Western powers they fought in past wars, much like the English may still refer to Germans as “Fritz.”
Good point.
It could well be that often when the C word is brought up, it IS more about “they attacked us before and they will attack us again” than “hey they attacked us a long time ago and we are still pissed about it”.
Though, IMO I think the second part is not a trivial part. Secondary perhaps, depending on who is doing the complaining.
Well it’s true, they haven’t bothered them since.
