I beg to differ! Last I heard, all of Gilber & Sullivan’s productions were called “operas”.
They’re not.
Except you are the only one trying to establish which movie first had a dream ballet. Everyone else is talking about the stage act. That’s a point you keep missing.
Everyone in the thread is talking about the stage production. The OP is talking about why the stage production was so revolutionary. The only time movies were brought in was to argue that some movie musicals had used some of the techniques before the stage production of Oklahoma! premier, so the stage production wasn’t as revolutionary as some were arguing.
In short, no one cares about the movie Oklahoma! right now. So pointing out that the movie Oklahoma! wasn’t the first to do something is completely and totally irrelevent as to why the stage production was considered revolutionary.
It’s been overturned since at least 1792. Unless Mozart’s The Magic Flute isn’t considered to be a real opera.
I’m well aware that the subject of the thread is the effect of Oklahoma! on subsequent stage musicals. I was not addressing that particular subject, but a related subject–movie musicals. Other posters in this thread have been writing about subjects related to, but distinct from, the subject in the OP. I hardly think this is the first thread in which this has happened.
In reply to a post claiming that Oklahoma! was the first stage musical with a dream ballet (a claim I did not and do not dispute), I wrote a post intended to indicate that as far as movie musicals go, other movies beat the movie version of Oklahoma! to the punch. I was correct in that assertion.
I at no time made any comparison to the stage play; it’s others who insist on doing that. I have in subsequent posts made it quite clear that I was talking about was movie musicals. It’s as if I said “Alan Shepherd was the first American in space” and someone replied “The Russians put Yuri Gagarin into space before Shepherd.” While the second statement is true, it isn’t in conlflict with the first.
Really? Nobody else has been discussing things other than the stage play Oklahoma? There isn’t a running discussion of how to define the works of Gilbert and Sullivan, or how to differentiate an operetta from an opera? If there is some new rule that one must address the subject in the OP directly and must not discuss anything else, I’m hardly the only one in this thread who’s violated it.
Scott: Well said. I shall defer to your greater expertise and concede the point.
Madre de Dio…
What, nevah?
Yes, I’m aware that’s Pinafore…
It occurs to me that further discussion of this particular subject is likely to get us nowhere and do nothing but waste our time, so I’ll stop and allow whoever wants it to have the last word.
Hahdly evah.
“Poor Jud is dead.”
Previously, nobody thought it was possible to make a musical about a dust-bowl state.