Maybe there’s more going on that you aren’t privy to. Maybe there’s discussion on the Mod loop about Trubie being a troll, and posting privileges being reviewed, but Czarcasm doesn’t wish to state such accusations that aren’t resolved in an ATMB thread. Maybe the reason he said to PM him was the same reason that the rule is if you have a question about a poster being banned and no announcement being made, you should PM a mod rather than starting a thread.
But you didn’t think about those possibilties, did you?
It has had EIGHT posts since you reopened it, yet you have not once bothered to explain here why you closed it, or why you closed it so snarkily. It’s absurd that then you said “any attacks on the OP must be taken to the proper forum”, when you also snarked at the OP.
There’s an easy way for you(and others) to find out, but unfortunately it would involve putting aside the brightly colored “Look at me fight the Mods!” banners, and PMing me as was earlier requested. This approach may not rally as many people together, but I can guarantee that you would get an answer.
The thread should probably be closed anyway as the OP has been banned. That along with Czarcasm’s note to you above should be enough for people to understand what has happened here. If not or if you prefer talking to me send me a PM or an email and I will answer you. (Might be later this evening but I will answer you.)
Czarcasm didn’t say either of those things; in fact he said:
According to the Registration Agreement:
Civility doesn’t just include refraining from insults, depending on context it may also include refraining from profanity. And if a thread looks like it could become volatile, a moderator has the authority to insist that a civil tone be maintained.
Fenris, I’m sure you’re well aware that this is not “making up rules,” it’s always been part of moderation, because it’s been discussed here many times before. And trying to make a moderator instruction in a specific thread into a general rule across the board is disingenuous. You know better than this.
Since when can moderators make up magic new rules for individual threads? Are you saying that mods can make up any rules they want for a given thread? “Only post in purple” would be a valid mod-instruction GD or GQ thread? Because these new rules are equally bizarre.
Czarcasm said (full, not truncated quote)
The word “puking” is a reference to 1 (one) poster who said that “The OP made them want to puke” and, in fact, fits Czarcasm’s instruction to discuss the post. This has always been allowed. One of the primary rules is “Insult the post, not the poster”. “The OP makes me want to puke” is as unambiguous an example of insulting the (Original) Post and not the poster as you can get.
In addition, I’ve never, ever seen a “no swearing” rule applied to any thread. Every time I can recall that it’s been brought up, it’s been stated that excessive profanity (no excessive profanity evident in the thread in question) can be Jerkish behavior. One F-Bomb and one S-word is hardly excessive.
Civility has never meant an absolute ban on profanity–there’s a very narrow, specific list of words and phrases you can’t use. “I read about a woman who adopted a child and give it back and the shit storm it caused” and “[you can’t just give us back because] We aren’t USED FUCKING CARS!” were the only two profanities used and neither of them were even directed at a poster. Until this new “Threads must be G-Rated lest someone get the vapors!” rule was invented just now.
Sometimes OP can refer to the Original Poster. Perhaps that is where the perception on a personal insult came from. “The OP made me want to puke” could be referring to the the original poster.
Totally true, but your analysis depends on a typo I made. The actual phrasing was as follows:
The word “This” (instead of “The” as I mistakenly typed) plus following it with the actual offensive line from the OP makes it clear that it’s the post, not the poster that makes Mahaloth puke.
I’ll try not to. Can you not be disingenuous? Czarcasm made up rules for that thread that were contrary to longstanding rules on this board. Trying to pretend that those rules were somehow reasonable or have any precedent or accusing someone who questions these new rules as being “ridiculous” strikes me as an iffy debating technique.
Then he could have said “Dial it back please” or something similar which would have at least avoided the problem of made-up rules that contradict board rules and custom.
Of course, the other problem was that there was nothing to dial back. Have you even read the thread? One use of the word “puke”, one use of the word “shit” and one use of the word “fuck”, none of which were directed at the poster who started the thread is about as benign as it gets in a heated thread.
“Go look up the definition of adoption. Thread closed”, is dialing it back?
I don’t mind if a mod steps in to tell the kids to pipe down a bit, but Czarcasm himself was less than civil and then got all whiny when called on it. The guy has acted so childish in this that not only will he not explain the disconnect between what he has warned others not to do and what he posted himself, but he keeps pouting that no one has PM’ed him. It’s like a twelve year old girl trying to use facebook to get a date to the 6th grade dance.
This could have been over before it began if Czarcasm acted more mature and respectful in both the original thread and this one. For him to blame others for similar incivility is hypocritical.
Well, folks, I decided to give Czarcasm a chance to answer, so I followed his advice and sent him a PM. The following is a transcript of the exchanges between us. People may judge for themselves whether he kept his promise to answer. I know what I think.
Peter Morris :
Why did you close the thread?
Why were you so snarky about it?
Why did you say “any attacks on the OP must be taken to the proper forum”, when you yourself made an attack on the OP?
Do you consider yourself to be above the “no personal attacks” rule of this board?
And while we’re at it, for what reason was the OP banned?
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Czarcasm:
Why did you close the thread?
A. We suspected that the OP was trolling. Turned out we were right.
Why were you so snarky about it?
A. Don’t like trolls.
Why did you say “any attacks on the OP must be taken to the proper forum”, when you yourself made an attack on the OP?
A. I It wasn’t a personal attack so much as a way to let the OP know that WE knew what was going on.
Do you consider yourself to be above the “no personal attacks” rule of this board?
A. Again, it wasn’t a personal attack.
And while we’re at it, for what reason was the OP banned?
A. Trolling
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Peter Morris:
In what way was the OP trolling?
What makes you think you were right?
What exactly did you mean by telling the OP to go and look up adoption?
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**Czarcasm: **
In what way was the OP trolling?
A. That would involve private discussions among the moderators and other information that you are not currently privy to. I guess you’ll just have to trust our judgment on this one.
What makes you think you were right?
A. Same answer
What exactly did you mean by telling the OP to go and look up adoption?
A. Already answered in my response to your previous list of questions.
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Peter Morris
“A. Already answered in my response to your previous list of questions.”
I don’t recall asking the question before, nor getting an answer previously. Please remind me what your answer was.
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Czarcasm
I don’t recall asking the question before, nor getting an answer previously. Please remind me what your answer was.
A. It was what I meant when I said “a way to let the OP know that WE knew what was going on.”
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Peter Morris
And what WAS going on, exactly?
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Czarcasm
A. As was already said, that would involve private discussions among the moderators and other information that you are not currently privy to. I guess you’ll just have to trust our judgment on this one.
Peter Morris, do not bother PMing me again, since you seem to have no concept as to what Private Message means. You didn’t even bother to ask if I minded if you posted our exchange.