Moderator’s Note: :smack: OK, it appears on further research that Blue John did post that, he just didn’t post it in this thread. Sorry about that MixieArmadillo; your Official Warning is withdrawn.
False attributions? I don’t need no steeenkeen false attributions! I let people dig their own idiot-pits. 
Out of curiosity, Blue John are you perchance a Promise Keeper or something of the sort? I’m trying to figure out if there’s a basis for your idiotic views, or if it’s just general idiocy.
I’m not saying that it’s okay for one person to hold sexist views simply because another does, but I am saying that it’s sort of rediculous for you to call my words (women are more capable of truely understanding the full emotional impact of rape) “sexist, ignorant, supremacist tripe,” in light of your views: women are useless except for procreation… “I support the subordination of women, for their own protection as much as anything,” and, my own personal favorite (which, I might add, is going up on my “wall of stupid”) “he refused to follow his own reasoning to the obvious conclusion, that women should not be treated as fully human.” Ignorant, supremacist tripe, indeed.
I’m saying there are differences between the sexes. Do you think there’s anyone on the planet that would disagree that women are different than men? I’m not saying one gender is (or should be) inherantly valued over the other, or that one should be subservient. That’s where the sexist, ignorant tripe comes in.
I suppose it’s possible to hold the opinion that women are worthless, meaningless lumps of feminine flesh without actually hating them (“I’m beating you, son, because I love you and that’s what good parenting is about”), but even if you aren’t a troll and really, truely, in your lil, bitty heart believe this putrescence, it doesn’t make it any less idiotic.
~mixie
Sorry, that was MY fault-I thought you were misquoting him for what he said here, and so I asked a mod about it. Please forgive me, mixie. :o (although if you could link next time to the thread where he says it, that would help.)
Mods, I’m sorry.
No prollem, I was going to link to the post, but I wasn’t sure how to link to an exact post, and didn’t know if linking to the entire thread would be much more enlightening. Sorry 'bout that.
Peace,
~mixie
I have seen some sociologists claim this…that there are no inherint differences between males and females, but that our society “teaches” us to be male of female. Outside of sociology no one really takes this to seriously (by which I mean the idea that biology is irrelevant to our sense of masculinity or femininity)…particularly given the body of literature regarding brain differences between males and females.
I totally agree with you…though differences may exist between groups of people (gender, racial, religious, etc.) diversity is what makes the world an interesting place. No group should be valued over the others, or considered more moral.
I don’t think any of us really take the misogyny that has crept into this thread seriously…I move that we return to the debate at hand. 
avalongod, any woman who lets the fear of rape influence her life is paranoid, which is exactly what the people promoting these statistics want. I once saw a statistics from a hypnotherapist, as it happens, claiming as many as 1 in 7 Americans had been abducted by aliens. The memories were supressed, of course, so they never know.
They are both questionable statistics coming from groups and individuals with vested interests and agendas, yet one of them is accepted by many people with no evidence while the other is laughed off.
Women are more likely to be violent to dependants and intimate partners than strangers. The majority of child abuse and domestic violence is female perpetrated.
From The Invisible Boy, Chapter 2, Perpetrators of Male Victimisation:
MixieArmadillo, no I’m not a Promise Keeper or anything like that. Promise Keepers are too close to feminism for me. My beliefs are based more on the Bible, the world around us and philosophers like Weininger.
I never said women were useless except for procreation, I just said that procreation is the only thing women can give to society that men can’t do at least as well. I suppose I am sexist and supremacist, there’s nothing wrong with that if it is anti-feminist sexism and supremacism.
I never said women are just lumps of flesh any more than men, either. More like children. How can you hate a child? I don’t support violence either.
There is a lot more violence in your words than you seem to realize. A lot more misinformation, too.
Please, women, understand that this person does not speak for all of us men.
Blue John, MAJORITY means over 50%.
i don’t think your statistics say that the MAJORITY of domestic and child abuse is perpetrated by women.
do you know how utterly offensive it is to compare women to children?
even the bible suggests women warrant positions of authourity.
i suggest you re-read the end of proverbs, the references to Deborah in judges and take a look at the genders of the leaders of the early church.
Unfortunately Weininger is a poor source of rape statistics, and probably was even in his day. Since he killed himself at age 23, any of his writings must be viewed through a despondent post-adolescent filter.
Belief that women are ‘like children’, unpalatable though it may be, is still in a roundabout way supportive of the claims of the militant feminists that are so condemned - ‘all sex is rape’. Children may not give consent to a sexual act, thus children have additional legal protections under the law - all sex with those under the age of, say, 14, is legally considered rape. Extending that non-capacity to include all women, we would assume that women are not fully capable of consent, then we are in Brownmiller territory - all male-female sex is rape.
The Bible supports that somewhat. Your choice of sex partners is very limited, and of course you must marry her after the fact. Or be put to death, whichever. Her willingness to participate is irrelevant. If you think the current laws are unfair or restrictive, imagine living under Mosaic ones. 
I will agree that SOME people involved in the media or promiting statistics that are exaggerated are promoting some hysteria. But at the same time, even if the numbers are lower, taking reasonable precautions is a fact of life. The odds of me being mugged are likely pretty low, yet I do remain vigilant whenever I am in an area of town that I am unfamiliar with. there is a difference in my mind, between paranoia and reasonable precaution.
BlueJohn, I am never quite sure whether to take you seriously or not. But stunningly enough Blue John is on target here. There is a body of evidence suggesting that women do indeed perpetrate about equal levels of domestic violence as men…though we must also remember men have more upper body strength and are prone to cause more injuries (see the work of Straus, Steinmetz or McNeely and Robinson-Simpson for discussion). There is a huge controversial back and forth argument on this that probably is beyond the scope of this thread. And yes women do perpetrate more incidents of violent child abuse and child homicide (though this is true only for children under the age of 6)…there is a body of literature on this as well (OVerpeck et al…for instance). For children over the age of 6 step-dads become the primary perpetrators
I am not quite sure what the point is of bringing that up though. I should be noted that, as rape is perpetrated by a ** minority** of men, so too is domestic violence and child abuse perpetratded by a minority of men and women. I’m not sure what bearing it has on the issue of rape.
avalongod, if you “take precautions” when in potentially dangerous situations what is meant to be so terrible about women thinking about the possibility of being raped? Anyone who spreads those statistics is helping fuel female paranoia. The figures are lower, simple fact. The ones inventing these stats are lying to spread paranoia.
Why are you stunned that I am correct, as I have been throughtout this thread? Like you say, women are physically weaker and inferior to men, they are also three times as likely to use a weapon, such as a poker or knife to even things up.
Yeah, Mr O, my words are incredibly violent. They were robbing banks yesterday.
irishgirl, I know what majority means, that’s why I used the word. Women commit the majority of child abuse and a slimmer majority of intimate abuse.
I don’t know how offensive it is to you to compare women to children, it doesn’t offend me.
There are no feminists in the Bible. That portion of Proverbs doesn’t support you either.
You are a slave to feminist dogma, you see? You would be happier if you accepted the truth.
YOUR truth?
no.
happier as i am.
thanks awfully.
Why should I believe RAINN claims?
It took you 5 years to reply to a thread that was already 5 years old when you join?
You don’t know any woman that has been raped that you know has been raped. It is very likely that you DO know women who have been raped but they have not revealed that to you. Why should they? Rape victims are still often stigmatized, and it’s part of their sexual history which is generally considered private information.
Andrea Dworkin is infamous for making that statement. As typical with things “everybody knows” the real story is slightly different. “All heterosexual sex is rape” is the five-word summary of her 1987 book Intercourse which, if you read the whole book, is of course a more nuanced and detailed discussion of women and sex in modern society. Said 5-word summary was, of course, created by her critics and not her supporters.
That’s assuming that there is one rapist for every rape, which is clearly false. There should be a lower percentage of rapists than raped because rapists can rape more than one person. There are certainly cases brought to light by the justice system of men who rape significant numbers of women. So no, there aren’t 60 rapists reading this thread, not even close.
Less than one in five women being the victim of a sexual assault or rape is high, actually. Also, it is often the case that a rape or sexual assault goes unreported. It’s really impossible to have an accurate statistic of these things. I think that some people think rape or sexual assault is over reported (i.e., that lots of women make it up) are very wrong. It is the other way around. There may be some women who make it up, but thinking that is a typical thing is a mistake. It’s far more likely, throughout the world, in the present as well as the past, for rape and sexual assault to go unreported than to be over reported. Very often these things go unreported. For example, my mother was sexually molested by her step father when she was a teenager. She never reported it. She felt the shame of it as if it were her fault. Young women and even older women do the same thing.
Guys, this is a really old thread.
…and yet the issues and problems never die…