Im happy for Joe Biden and family…I knew the optics of the pardon would not look good and it would be Hunter Biden for all j6ers.
So be it…JB deserves a peaceful life at this stage.
Is there a thread about him pardoning Kushner’s dad, calling it different and evil? I mean, that was different and evil, because the older Kushner hired a prostitute to seduce his brother-in-law and then sent the video to his own sister, in order to stop his BIL from testifying or something, but I don’t remember people calling that out here as different and evil.
You all realize don’t you that President Biden could have kept his promise by commuting the sentence but letting the conviction stand? Bush did this for Scooter Libby, and as much as he was raked over the coals for it at the time this was a better call. Libby was still responsible for the fine and barred from practicing law.
Libby was so dissatisfied by this outcome that he sought and received a full pardon from Trump.
Does anyone think for a millisecond that Donald would ever permit the investigation, let alone prosecution, let alone sentencing, of Donald Junior? Of course not. He’d order the investigation killed as well as the investigators. Biden was the model of restraint by letting this unhinged special counsel go as far as he did. Hunter paid the back taxes plus penalty plus was contrite. The grifter family would never do one of those things.
Good for Biden! Trump has already announced that he is pardoning all the traitors that stormed our Capital and tried to overthrow our democratically elected government, and Biden’s son is guilty of far less.
Yes, this would have been better.
But, as I understand it, the guns case was still ongoing so there was no sentence to commute (I may be wrong here - going from memory). I don’t think you can do a commutation on an ongoing case, and it obviously wouldn’t cover whatever other charges Trump might decide to have the DoJ to after Hunter for in the future.
Hmm President Biden is community noted by X
Looks like Elon taking revenge as Trump was factchecked and later banned by Twitter…
When this thread was started you said,
So you no longer consider it improper for Joe to pardon Hunter?
That is correct. Compared to the traitors that will soon be pardoned, he is pretty much a political prisoner. I’ve read a number of comments made by people in the legal field, and most of them say that, if Biden was an ordinary citizen, he probably wouldn’t even be serving jail time at all.
I am curious if you still feel this way… because he completely pardoned him, do you think Joe acted irresponsibly?
Hunter’s persecution was only ever about tarring his father’s name. If Joe had just commuted his son’s sentence, the Trump administration would’ve just gone after him for some other reason.
And can I just point out that we’ve spent more time discussing the Hunter’s potential (now realized) pardon than we ever spent discussing Trump’s pardon of multiple convicted criminals, including his own son-in-law’s father, and his promise to pardon hundreds of his supporters who were involved in an attempted overthrow of the US government? I don’t mean to whatabout, but the right-wing outrage over Hunter’s pardon seems more than a little disingenuous.
I think that thread was about pardoning “Fightin’ Joe” Arpaio. I’m not sure if there were et alii added to it.
Er… well, okay, how about as compared to statutes, precedent, and the rule of law?
The fact one person was stupidly, or will be stupidly, pardoned doesn’t make every other pardon justifiable. If it was improper before, it’s improper now.
I’m very happy that Joe Biden pardoned Hunter.
If this is just a big “F all y’all” from Joe, I’m fine with that. He could say “I know I promised not to pardon Hunter but the American voters have said they want their president to be above the law with autocratic powers to reward their friends and punish their enemies…so, here we are.”
I think it is more a case of “I now know that my son is much less a criminal(for which he was more than willing to pay for as so many others have done in the past) and more a political prisoner, and that shit is going to stop right now!”
God I hate dragging Trump into any thread on the Board but I wonder, would Biden have pardoned Hunter if Trump hadn’t been elected? Is this a pre-emptive pardon?
I think he realized that the unending persecution for the purpose of gaining popularity would not stop under Trump.
I wondered that. Biden may now have different opinions about his own and the justice system’s robustness as we slide into our dystopian future.