Why don’t you click on the link in my previous post? Start at the 86th Congress and look at the makeup of the Senate and House by state. You will see just how absurdly false your statement is. It’s like you guys are impervious to facts or something. Democrats continued to maintain a hold over the South well into the early 90’s, when you start to see a shift. Assuming that those “racist Democrats” became “racist Republicans”, then why does this not show up in the years immediately following 1964? Why does it take near 30 years for there to be a shift? Surely, those “racists” have better things to do than to wait around for near 30 years and then decide to start voting Republican?
This is a really silly point, the revisionism is coming from the republicans and it is even more silly when the Republicans are the ones who **continue **to push for restrictions.
Jobs? Better spent the time voting against health care reform and more restrictions to abortion.
You continue the comedy. Even prominent Republicans don’t deny what the Southern strategy was meant to do. Sure, it was all about politics- including the politics of coded language. And the difference before and after the '60s is striking- the Southern Strategy was more about presidential elections than state and local elections- and it’s pretty clear when looking at presidential election results. Before '68, the Democrats pretty much always swept the South. From '68 to today, the Democrats swept the South once- in '76, and were only competitive in Southern states in a few other elections. The difference is striking, and it’s because of the Southern Strategy.
And the cost of the Southern Strategy was a perception that was built among the public that connected the Republican party to racism- especially white, southern racism against black people.
The Democratic party and liberal America has its share of wierdos, but no prominent Democrats are at the crazy and falsehood-telling levels of folks such as Bachmann, Steve King, et al. It’s comical when a supporter of the party of creationism tries to attack anyone else as anti-science.
Number one, that wasn’t a spin. At all. Romney did not bring up abortion. Obama did, running ad after ad about the alleged war on women (which were consistently rated as false) and giving Cecille Richards a prominent speaking position at the DNC (I must have missed, say, Marjorie Dannenfelser at the RNC). Seriously. Revisionist history here at its finest, but given how you guys can’t even get what happened with the Southern Strategy right, that doesn’t surprise me. Number two, tell me again how many bills Harry Reid refuses to bring to a vote that the House has passed? Exactly.
You’re only looking at Congress. Many of those people were long-term incumbents who’s attitudes toward segregation were well known. The people weren’t going to throw them all out just because of their party affiliation - they knew what they had and were fine with it.
It’s the presidential voting where it shows up - when it’s not their local guy who they’ve known for years running. In 1960 the South was solidly blue - only Florida didn’t vote for Kennedy. In 1964, after the Civil Rights Act had been passed, only six states in the country voted for Goldwater - his home state of Arizona, and LA, MS, AL, GA, and SC. In 1968, the South was all red except for five Southern states that voted for George Wallace. In 1972 it was 100% red. 1976 was an outlier due to Watergate and Jimmy Carter was a Southerner.
It’s been more or less 100% red ever since 1964 although Southerner Bill Clinton flipped a couple of his neighboring states in 1992 and 1996.
That unenforced errors are done with gusto by the Republicans. But we knew that already in this context the Republicans continue to dig, but in any case they just demonstrated how wrong you are, Republicans still bring it forward.
Okay, so once again, what’s the plan? How would you recommend the Republican party accomplish one of the options you suggested?
“Keep doing what they’ve been doing” isn’t an acceptable answer. What they’ve been doing isn’t working. The Republicans need to do something different than what they’ve been doing. Now’s the time to make suggestions.
You’re not even trying. You made a statement. One, mind you, which was blatantly false, patently absurd and easily proven as false. I’m still waiting for you to show me proof that “racist Democrats” became “racist Republicans”. A political map, voting patterns, a study, anything. No more bullshit, which is all I’ve gotten thus far. Apparently, it’s okay for you guys to make wild assertions absence any evidence, but the rest of us have to cite that we live on planet Earth. Of course, you don’t have any evidence, but I guess that’s just a mild nitpick, huh?
As it is, this is what we call telling half the story. From 1968 - 1988, there was one competitive presidential race out of six-- in 1976, where, as you so kindly pointed out, Democrats swept the Southern states. That, oddly enough, was also the best year Democrats had nationally, not just in the South, between 1968 and 1988. Furthermore, in 1968, Wallace (Independent) won five Southern states, further hurting your own argument that the Southern Strategy was some kind of gain for the Republicans. 1992 marked the first “competitive” race, with a clear demographic split between the two parties. Even then, Clinton was able to win six (depending on how you want to define the South) southern states in 1992and 1996. It wasn’t until 2000 when Bush II won did the South decisively break for one candidate as when compared to the rest of the U.S., more specifically the west and east coasts.
In fact, the fact that you attribute the Democrats doing so poorly between that period as a result of the Southern Strategy is laughable. It would require you to not only ignore the fact that Democrats continued to perform well in Congress in the South well into the 1990’s, but also ignore the economic and political reasons behind each candidate’s win or loss. I’m sure Nixon winning in 1968 had nothing to do with the Vietnam War or that his win in 1972 had nothing to do with the fact that his opponent was unknown and disliked by his own party. I’m sure Carter winning in 1976 had nothing to do with Nixon resigning in disgrace. I’m sure the Reagan’s win in the 1980 election had nothing to do with the fact that Carter was mired in a long economic slump, nor did his win in 1984 have anything to do with the economic recovery he touted. I’m sure Bush winning in 1988 had nothing to do with him riding out Reagan’s coattails, and I’m sure Clinton winning in 1992 had nothing to do with the fact that Bush raised taxes or that the U.S. was in a recessionary period. Nope. It’s all about the Southern Strategy!
I really can’t take your posts seriously. Have you even looked at a map of each presidential elections? I don’t think you have.
Yeah, I’m still waiting for that proof where you show me that those “racist Democrats” became “racist Republicans”. I’ll wait anxiously.
For elected officials, Thurmond and Helms come to mind. Trent Lott changed parties a bit later. As far as the electorate, prominent Republicans like Atwater and Ken Mehlman have admitted many times that the purpose of the Southern Strategy was to appeal to southern white racists (those racist Democratic voters who, because of the Southern Strategy, became racist Republican voters).
This is basic 20th century history. It’s not surprising that you buy the party line from know-nothings like Rand Paul and Michelle Bachmann (of the “founding fathers worked tirelessly to end slavery” infamy), but it’s unfortunate.
You seem to think you’ve said something profound. All you’ve done is state the obvious.
Romney didn’t bring up abortion because it was a vulnerability in his platform - some of his supporters were strongly pro-choice and some of his supporters were strongly pro-life. Which is why Obama brought the issue up. He wanted to put pressure on Romney. No matter what Romney did - take a pro-choice position, take a pro-life position, or avoid taking either position - he would offend some of his supporters and weaken their support.
All you’re apparently doing is accusing Obama of being a smart campaigner as if there’s something wrong with that.
Why didn’t Romney do the same thing? Why didn’t he exploit some wedge issue to divide Obama’s supporters?
How can the Republicans win again and still stay conservative? For one thing, by not offending people with crap facts on rape when they’re trying to defend their position on abortion. Just be straight and say you are against abortion in all cases because you believe the life of the fetus is paramount. You will still offend some and some will be against you, but you won’t look like an anti-science lunatic when you are appealing to the heart instead of BS science information.
What else? Stop with the anti-science BS and realize your religious views are not science. Certain right winger blowhards have got to stop attacking women (like Sandra Fluke) in the most offensive ways just because they disagree with their views. Stop trying to claim climate change isn’t happening and argue the merits of what to do about it. Stop giving in to the extreme right wing and stand up to them. Stop finding ways to offend Hispanics (on immigration for example) and Blacks (like restricting voting). And for God sakes, if you say you are about economic issues, stop bringing up social issues and letting them take over the agenda.
Republicans can make a contrast with the Democrats without looking incredibly stupid. There are so many points on economic issues where you can present a sensible conservative case to appeal to people to join your party. It shouldn’t be that hard, but it seems to be for so many in the party.
As I said, adaher was, and is, right. You can simply look at voting patterns to see this. But, oh. I totally await whatever half hearted response you will come up with.
Right. We’ve already established that you don’t look shit up. So again, what do you have?
I swear you’ve posted this exact same thing before, or some derivative of it, and I said the exact same thing then I said now. You cannot objectively measure racism without a manner of subjectivity. I always get a kick out of all of these “Hey, look! Those Republicans/conservatives/Southerners/etc. are some damn racist!” studies. It’s akin to giving groups IQ tests and then determining that one group is “smarter” than the other.
Democrats are more likely to be single issue voters when it comes to abortion than are Republicans, meaning a Republican is more likely to vote for someone regardless of their stance on abortion than are Democrats. All Obama was doing is throwing a bone to those who would cared about it the most, as he knew it wouldn’t hurt him in the long run.
This has nothing to do with him being a smart campaigner; it has to do with the fact that the Democratic coalition is comprised of marginally attached, low-information and otherwise single issue voters.
A weasel point, you claimed you were not getting any studies, they exist, they investigate voting patterns and interviewed their subjects, the racism was obtained from the misrepresentations and prejudices they reported, and BTW the USNews article I linked regarding the Southern Strategy was made by a Historian and teacher of political reporting.