I don’t think that I’m hysterical for criticizing a given behavior (I’m not for instance, calling for a boycott), but YMMV.
Will the right stop trying to stop trying to compare their crazies to the left's mild overreactions?
And I get 1.9 million for Bush+Fascist. Do I win a prize?
Plenty of idiots to go around.
I have not backpedled from anything. I pointed out that there was no shortage of left/liberals eager to engage in incendiary rhetoric, and someone pointed out that nobody had used that specific term on this board; I never said anyone did. To repeat: there are few to no conservative extremists on this board, either. That does not mean that the birthers do not exist.
As to the rest, you seem to be asking for a cite. Here you go.
http://www.clickorlando.com/politics/3785861/detail.html
Note the list of incidents here:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002059735_webbushoffice11.html
http://www.channel3000.com/politics/3776992/detail.html
http://cbs2.com/local/Sarah.Palin.mannequin.2.849299.html
Apologies for misremembering the lawn-burning story; it was a swastika, not a cross, that was burned.
I have to give the man credit for handling the Cuban Missile Crisis. JFK handled that shitty situation in just about the best way I can imagine (and by that, I mean that no one launched any nukes). That alone merits him a place above average, I think. Not “one of the greatest,” though.
Now, Bay of Pigs wasn’t entirely his fault (since it was planned under Eisenhower) but he still should have nixed it, and bears some guilt for that. And Kennedy sure didn’t get much done domestically. But I don’t think it’s too crazy to credit him with doing a good job overall in that we didn’t, you know, nuke anybody.
No prize for you.
If you’re honest, you get to back off on your Bushitler claims.
I don’t know who put that crazy idea in your head in the first place, but maybe you should try to find out, and then stop listening to their crazy lies.
When you repeat stuff like that, it makes all us reasonable people think that you’re crazy too.
What claims do I need to back off? Many people compared Bush to Hitler. That is what I claimed, and even a curosory googling shows it to be true. Are all these created by Michelle Malkin?
It may be nobody on this specific site used that specific word, but I never said they did, nor even imply it
It’s a question of proportionality.
Who’s doing the comparing - some nuts who aren’t even getting on the news, or people with power and/or influence? For instance, which U.S. Senator compared Bush to Hitler? Which liberal figure, read/watched/listened to by millions, did so?
Seriously, what’s the tip of this iceberg? If all you’ve got is some noisy people out on the Internet, then BFD. You can nutpick all you want, but all you’ve got in the end is some mixed nuts.
There’s a big difference to me between a movie that is kind of like The Passion of the Christ for a presidential assassination… that is, one lingering lovingly on the shots of the dying president squirming in a pool of his own blood; and a movie which posits the assassination and then is about the aftermath, the reprecussions, etc.
It’s certainly a bit shockingly outre to actually make a movie with a visual fictionalized accounting of the assassination of the current living US president, but I agree with everyone else here who disagrees with the spin you’re putting on it.
So the issue is NOT that the left and right have crazies, but that the right grabs better media when RW crazies speak?
ALF spokesmen do not get much press, since they are terrorists. That does not mean that they are not LW crazies - it just means that they don’t sound good on TV.
A few videos of protests at G8 is interesting, but again the talking points don’t seem to make good long-run TV. That is just a PR issue, and has nothing to do with the quantity or quality of crazy out there.
This thread has gone where I expected - the Left won’t admit to its nutjobs, and the Right will stick to the stance of “both sides have nuts” barring a decent measuring stick.
The point isn’t that the Left doesn’t have nuts. Plenty of them. The point is that we don’t embrace our nuts. We don’t have Democratic congressmen and senators parroting nutso talking points because they’re scared to death of being voted out by their nutty base. We don’t have Air America on every other talk radio station claiming that the Republicans are trying to kill Granny. We don’t have our Democratic elected officials cowering in fear before Al Franken or Ed Schulz.
We HAVE nuts. Everybody has nuts! (Grow up, people…you know what I mean!) But we don’t lionize our nuts and let them set the agenda.
But that was not the OP - the OP was claiming that the Right has crazies while the Left has “mild overreactions.”
Not only were are there just a few there, but I checked in my sock drawer and I found zero. ZERO! Then I checked here.
No, the OP asked that people stop comparing crazies on the right to mild overreactions on the left. Not that there WERE no crazies on the left, but that false equivalencies were being set up between right-crazies and (presumably equally famous) left-crazies.
It’s like people saying that Ann Coulter and Al Franken somehow cancel each other out. That’s patently absurd. But saying so does not deny that there is no one on the left as hateful and insane as Ann Coulter… just that Al Franken isn’t that perosn. (And there may in fact not be anyone who is as hateful, insane, AND POPULAR on the left as Ann Coulter on the right.)
It certainly wasn’t leftwing crazies that stampeded the nation into a trillion dollar war over in Iraq. Where’s the equivalency for that?
Heck I haven’t even seen anyone with power on the right try to make amends for that collosal clusterfuck. I suppose they’re all crazy enough to think that the rest of us will ignore it as ‘belonging to the past’. In my book, that makes them pretty godamned crazy.
OP went on to say
I read that as claiming that right wing crazies trump left wing crazies.
Fair point, that is what the OP is saying, which I misrepresented.
Although I think it’s an open question whether quantity has a quality all its own when it comes to how crazy the fringes of a group are.
This is literally the biggest backpedal I’ve ever seen on the Internet. It’s almost enough to scorch yourself with the backdrafting flamethrowing.
I’ve never heard or read the term “BusHitler” before right-wing crazies here claimed that it was common. Not on the Dope, not on Daily Kos, not at my liberal high school, nowhere. Your original claim was not that people simply compared Bush to Hitler, but that they used the word “BusHitler”. If that’s not backpedaling, nothing is.
So far under the current Administration I’d rank the right overall as behaving more crazily than the left. But the difference is smaller than leftists want to admit. Take for instance the inference that if you are vehemently opposed to the Democrats’ proposal for health care reform, you’re a racist:
*"Last year, Barack Obama was elected president, the first American of African heritage ever to reach that office. If this was regarded as a new beginning by most Americans, it was regarded apocalyptically by others who promptly proceeded to lose both their minds and any pretense of enlightenment.
These are the people who immediately declared it their fervent hope that the new presidency fail, the ones who cheered when the governor of Texas raised the specter of secession, the ones who went online to rechristen the executive mansion the ``Black’’ House and to picture it with a watermelon patch out front.
On tax day they were the ones who, having apparently just discovered the grim tidings April 15 brings us all each year, launched angry, unruly protests. In the debate over healthcare reform, they are the ones who have disrupted town hall meetings, shouting about the president’s supposed plan for ``death panels’’ to euthanize the elderly."*
That’s in the last week from syndicated columnist Leonard Pitts.
Earlier we heard much the same thing from Paul Krugman. These are supposedly respectable voices among the Left. And this meme has been drifting around TV talking heads shows as well.
Say what you will about people exhibiting disruptive behavior at town hall meetings and repeating silliness about reform proposals. To label them as racists is pretty damn crazy, as well as despicable.
It’s not “spin,” it’s my opinion. I think fictionally depicting the death of a sitting president, any sitting president, is in poor taste (come to think of it, I’d probably say the same for depicting the death of any public figure).
It may well be that there is considerable overlap with what you call “shockingly outre” and I call “in poor taste.” Again, that’s not spin, that’s a difference of opinion.