It is going to be interesting to see how the Dems can screw up the messaging on this one. Whatever one thinks of the complexity/legitimacy of the charges, he was charged, tried, and convicted. As well as found liable in other cases. He has several other ongoing cases in various jurisdictions. His challenges to the last election were unanimously rejected.
Sure, the loyalists can consider al of those examples of a single overarching plot of persecution. But I’m hoping there are enough folk who are not totally irrational who will figure, “Sure, the first 1-2-3-however many legal defeats might have been a plot. But eventually, ONE of them has to establish that this guy did SOMETHING wrong such that he is not the sort of person I want as my president.”
Heh. If the Dems were a properly organized and motivated party, a felony conviction of the opposition leader would be a no-brainer slam-dunk opportunity for them. But here we are.
Seriously! Any Dem message should begin, “The Republican nominee, a convicted felon, twice impeached, with $500 million judgment, and x-number of pending court cases…”
Don’t allow him to be defined as anything other than someone mired in multiple legal matters, which he has consistently lost, and who wishes to be re-elected to insulate himself from pending actions.
Yeah. We need Vicente Fox Quesada to step in there. He would have a word or two to share.
What is completely mind boggling to me is that anyone would vote for Trump, or that anyone is on the fence.
I guess single issue voters are a problem, but COME ON. Trump is a wind sock and will gladly turn on you if it looks better for HIM.
A person that is running for president of the US has one major concern with winning right now, staying out of prison. That’s it. Concern two is how much money he can steal.
Not to give Democrats a pass, but I wouldn’t lay it all on their feet. IOKWARDI is extremely well entrenched at this point, let alone for Trump who has managed to boil the frog of fascism very successfully.
Democrats have a lot of great voices in the house and senate, but most people won’t hear them because the news audience is segmented now.
I think it slightly decreases his chances of winning, and slightly to moderately increases the chances of him whipping his followers into another, bigger, insurrection.
It will be easier to convince his cult that he is being persecuted and the Devilcrats (is anyone using this? Seems like a natural) are taking him out of play so that they can take control and hand out children over to the lizard people. Oh, and raise taxes. A lot.
Let’s focus on the reality here (which admittedly is difficult when Trump’s around). Trump didn’t get a majority of votes in 2016 or 2020. And that’s with all the votes he undoubtedly stole.
Sure the MAGAs will vote for him. They’ll probably be writing in his name twenty years after Trump is dead.
But Trump isn’t going to win over the fence sitters this time. Not running against an incumbent Biden, who doesn’t project a lot of menace for conservatives to build on.
The OP posted the RNC is still behind Trump. I feel the reality is more like the RNC is still stuck with Trump. I’m sure most of them are silently wishing Trump would have a heart attack and die and they could move on to a better candidate.
As for the verdict, Trump will file an appeal. His followers will send him millions. And the appeal will drag on past the election.
There was a moment after January 6th where a fair number of RINOPublicans had had enough of this man.
Of course, amnesia and sycophancy quickly and reflexively set in.
Snap to grid.
But I have to wonder (not think, not predict) whether the RNC could see this as a serious blow from which Trump may or may not recover, but – regardless – is debilitating enough that somebody else officially becomes the nominee.
But are they, really? From the sounds of it, he won’t be in jail any time soon, due to the appeals, and the likelihood that he won’t be held in custody during that timeframe. Most people in the know don’t seem to think he’ll see the inside of a jail cell until well after the election.
So, the Democrats rigged the entire judicial system to convict him on these charges, but won’t actually be stopping him from campaigning? What kid of weak-ass conspiracy is this?
Every time he gets up to give a speech about how the Democrats are suppressing his free speech, he’ll just remind people how full of shit he is.
I’m not worried about the conviction firing up the MAGA base. These people are perpetually fired up as hot as they can be, the conviction is like throwing a shovel of coal into a crater of hot lava. What it is going to do is spook some people on the edges and that will all be in Biden’s favor.
How is it possible that there is anyone “on the edges” about voting for Trump in 2024. In 2016 sure, but now? Anyone who was already seriously thinking of voting for him is not someone for whom facts and logic matter.
There may be some people who voted for him in 2016 and 2020 not from a great love for him but from distaste for the Democratic nominees. For some of those half-hearted DJT voters, this conviction may just be what makes them either stay home or vote for someone else. Not all people who vote Republican are fire breathing MAGAbots, there are a few who may finally have their fill of this guy.
It’s the sentencing that’s going to matter more. Are enough voters going to want to elect somebody in prison? Even if he’s out on appeal would they want somebody who might go to prison before his term is up? And even if it’s just probation who would want a leader of the free world who needs to report regularly to a probation officer like a common criminal?
Invoked by who, exactly? The provisions of the 25th are carried out by the Vice President, and the members of the Cabinet, all of whom will be nominated by Trump in this hypothetical. “Will you be a loyal bootlicker?” will be the most important question he asks them.
If the voters are stupid enough to elect the felon again, procedural processes like this won’t save you, since the people charged with carrying out the process will all be compromised and corrupt. If we learned anything from Trump’s first term, it was this.
Imagine it’s after Election Day and that Trump has lost. Is anyone going to say “his convictions had nothing to do with it”? Anyone at all? No, no one will. His supporters will say Trump ran a perfect campaign but it was the dirty pool of being convicted that ruined his chances. Everyone else will say felons should not be elected.
