JerH wrote:
Are you serious? I am a Catholic. I go to church every weekend. Under the archaic definition of “fear” (respect/love/admiration), I am God-fearing.
IN NO WAY AM I A FUCKING FUNDAMENTALIST!
What you wrote is a blatantly false statement, sir/ma’am.
You got some splainin’ to do Evil Captor. Splain what a fundie is. How does that differ from a Christian. Are there certain sects/faiths/deonominations that qualify as fundie?
I really, really get confused about this.
Well obviously you can only be a Christian if your an Anglican, but the various Christian and pseudo-Christian denominations that are described fundamnetalists usually refer to themselves as evangelists.
I’m not Evil Captor but I agree with his “Fundies belong in the Pit” statement.
To my mind, “Fundie” is short for “Christian Fundamentalist,” therefore, “Fundies” are a subset of Christian. A person is a “Fundie” if ALL of the following conditions hold:
A. At least three of the following beliefs are held:[ul]
[li]The bible is the literal, inerrant word of God.[/li][li]The passages in the bible condeming homosexuality are more important then the ones condeming adultery and cheeseburgers.[/li][li]Evolution is fiction; Creationism is fact.[/li][li]AIDS was created by god to punish homosexuals.[/li][li]Rapture will occur within your lifetime.[/li][li]Jack Chick is righteous.[/li][li]Tinkie Winky is gay.[/li][/ul]
B. The above beliefs have a profound impact on your day-to-day life. For example: [ul]
[li]You refuse to do online banking because the numbers involved are the mark of the beast[/li][li]You leave the sunroof open so you won’t bump your head when you float to heaven during rapture[/li][li]You won’t let your children watch the Teletubbies, lest they turn into homosexuals (note that there are other, more legitimate reasons for not letting them watch the Teletubbies)[/li][li]You won’t let your children wear “Dickies” clothing, for what you think are obvious reasons[/li][li]You completely disregard science when it can’t be immediately reconciled with your religious beliefs[/li][li]You constantly try to spread your beliefs, e.g., by going door to door or leaving tracts in the laundry room of your apartment complex.[/li][/ul]
C. You have no diagnosable mental illnesses that could mimic the above symptoms. For the purposes of this clause, a sub 80 IQ is a mental illness.
D. The above symptoms must have been present for at least 6 months.
Now, with that rigorous definition in mind, if you wanna argue that fundies don’t belong in the pit, I say: Bring it on! 
Glad to help. As a general rule, fundies of whatever faith (there are Islamic fundies, too, and they’re even worse than the Christian bunch, hard though it is to believe) is that their holy book is the living word of their god, and must be taken as being literally true in every respect.
That’s why fundies love to quote Scripture so much. They see their holy book (Bible, Koran, whatever) as rules for living and justification for actions and belief that trump all the norms of society and all the rules of law.
Their reward for their belief: they don’t have to think, form opinions or deal with morally ambiguous issues rationally. The holy book, or for the most part whoever is interpreting the holy book for them, takes care of all that.
This is why fundies are more prone to violence and general awfulness than others – their reason is held in check by their beliefs, and anything, no matter how awful, is the right thing to do if God says so.
I must be a fundie then, because i agree with 1, 3 and 5 of the dotted statements.
So I guess I am where I belong, in the pit (hey! anyone got dan dee’s bar be q chips?!
Ah, but that was only part “A” of the questionnaire. What were your responses to parts “B”, “C” and “D”?
Hmph, typical fundie cherry-picking.
Hmmm. Metacom, we live in the same town, and I was raised in a fundamentalist religion…
Is that you from the third row of Wednesday night bible study?
Kidding. Heh.
Now (sigh) I suppose I must comment as to the original topic? Throw the book at them, with vengence (thunder/lightning optional).
No pitting necessary. Mrs. Dio and I have discovered that the best approach to dealing with a spoiled child is simply to cravenly cave in to every temper tantrum. Anything to stop the screaming.
[slight hijack]
Once, I had to park really closely between two cars, because they were both crooked. On my passenger side was a car with all these “I love Jesus” stickers on them. Whatever.
I get back from the movie, and my passenger side as been keyed nastily. And the plastic covering of my side view mirror has three DEEP gouges on the top. It must’ve been the car that was there originally, since there’s noone there now, and it’s a movie theatre, where there’s not a lot of coming and leaving traffic.
I’m annoyed, but it’s an old car.
As I drive away, the fiance noticed a paper flapping under his wiper blade.
It’s a Bible quote. “See Phillipians 4:8”
Interesting.
[/hijack]
An example of Fundie stuff.
"Quote: AT SHEPARD’S FUNERAL in his hometown of Casper, Wyo., an anti-gay hate group demonstrated in a park across the street, led by the Rev. Fred Phelps, a Baptist minister from Kansas.
Now members of Phelps’ group are back in Casper pushing to be allowed to put up a granite monument in the same park where they picketed at Shepard’s funeral.
The proposed monument would say, “Matthew Shepard entered Hell, October 12, 1998.”
That was the day that Shepard, 21, died of injuries and hypothermia he suffered five days before when two men beat him with a gun butt and left him to die while tied to a fence post in zero-degree weather, after meeting him at a bar in Laramie. Both of the men were later convicted."
That makes me want to cry.
The only thing I have against Christians in general is that they don’t keep it to themselves. I’m quiet about my religion, and don’t try to prevent people from doing things they want to do in life, even when it goes against my personal morals (such as being in the military, hunting, fishing, choosing big business over local, etc). But the folks who want to ban gay marriage really irk me. Who’s it hurting? If you believe it’s wrong to be gay, then you don’t be gay.
Ahem. Not in general, sorry. Some DO keep it to themselves, and I respect them greatly. Thank you.
Y’know what? That’s just simply fucked up. The two of 'em ought to be sent on the first plane to the Middle East with nothing more than the clothes on their backs, their switches, and their bibles. Let 'em try that shit where being a fundie actually MEANS something.
Let them see what damage fundamentalism can do to a people, and to a society. A few months running from the anti-vice squads and the anti-xtians and these two little shitheads, if they survive, will be changed.
And when they make it back, IF they make it back, they ought to be locked up in general population at pelican bay, with bright orange “child abuser” t-shirts on, until the lesson is finally learned.
Personally, I don’t need a cite to know how fucked SOME fundies can be, I’ve seen it, read about it, and the residual effects are blatant. I don’t need three independent sources to confirm what my eyes already tell me, some people are just plain fucked up.
Especially these two addle-brained sonsabitches. There’s a special place in whatever hell they espouse just for them.
I agree 100%. SOME people are just plum fucked up.
They were found guilty!
Brothers seek Probation
Just thought I’d pass it on.
So, it appears that they will have much free time to spend on their knees - praying.
“You get what you put in
And people get what they deserve”
Kid Rock - “Only God Knows Why”
Growing up in a fundamentalist home, I can tell you that a hatred of “sin” coupled with paranoia brings on this attitude and that, at least where I live (south-eastern Pennsylvania), it’s not the norm. If we’re defining fundamentalism by Metacom’s list, then most conservative Christians are not fundamentalist even if they consider themselves to be.
I see two types of Christian fundies: the reasonable and irrational. The reasonable ones believe most of Metacom’s part A without taking it to extremes in life. They’ll try to understand evolution better and read materials from both sides. Not that they’ll change their views, but they will have a deeper knowledge of their faith. Sure they’ll share their faith (wouldn’t you if you believed everyone is going to hell?), but they’ll be DAMNED if they are going to scrape someone’s car then leave a tract as apology. The irrationals will ban all TV/movies, force their kids through Christian school and promise estrangement if they don’t go to Bob Jones University. They’ll spend their free time perusing the news for signs of the antichrist (“he’s alive RIGHT NOW in Europe”) or blaming all the world’s woes on evilution. They will read the Bible over and over, ignoring the troubling concepts (like election and God-ordered genocide), instead forming an ideal for what society and individuals should act like and convincing themselves that they fit it. Anyone who doesn’t, especially their own children, is viewed with suspicion. Any action, any tone of voice which they don’t like instinctively becomes, to their eyes, a revelation of inner rebellion and conformity to that vast anti-Christian machine called “the world.” Many get so tied up in petty irrelevances like dress length or music style and wrap themselves up in their own little Christian sphere that they become more self-serving and bitter than “the lost.” And it often seems that they’ve spent so much energy trying to separate from “the world” that they’ve forgotten they have to harness their own human nature.
In my opinion, these kinds of people use their religion to justify the crueler side of human nature. They’ve immersed themselves so much into their us vs. them worldview that they have become extremely paranoid and resentful. Any attempt of discussing things reasonably is seen by them as Satan trying to infiltrate their shining little city on a hilltop.
Certainly, these are the two extremes, and most fundioes [sic] fit somewhere in the middle. If someone claims to be a Christian fundamentalist, please don’t automatically stereotype him as Pit material. This will only feed the fires.
Your OP has made me ill, literally sick to my stomach. There IS no fuckin’ excuse to hurt a child. God and religion are just two more lameass excuses to employ when someone gets caught beating or killing a child. But there are many examples of God-fearing (I’d think God would want you to love Him, not fear him but I digress) folk who have beaten and/or killed a child in the name of God or doing’s God’s will and for these reasons, I give a flaming “FUCK YOU!!!” to all extremist fundies who secretly believe down deep in their lil’ black hearts that they ARE God’s chosen and so enforce their own will into “God’s” will and use it to hurt others and influence them with fear! FUCK YOU, FUNDIES… May you rot in the deepest, hottest part of Hell forever! Hurt a child? Gimme five fuckin’ minutes in a locked room alone with them… I show you some smitin’!!
BREATHE, Spider… BREATHE.