You can be assured that I would have weighed in on this one had I not been so busy this weekend. Mrs. Welby out of town with a sick and dying Mom and two kids sick with the flu at home, i didn’t even know about this until this morning.
Let me say this:
Please stupid bitch run far and fast and hide in Fairfax, VA, right next door to me. I’ll even give you a room. That way, when I beat the living shit out of you, shake you, and choke you, I know that my crime won’t be caught on tape. When I break your fingers, toes, arms and legs, then piss on your broken body befoer dragging it into the street to die, there will be no witnesses. I fucking hate you.
I vote that when people who beat thier kids, abuse them, and neglect them are found guilty, they simply give them to me to deal with. I will make it a full time, unpaid position without benefits, as long as I’m supplied with the things I need to make the perpetrator sorry. Write your congressman.
Well, she DID say that this was the first time she ever harmed her chidren - EVER. And she said she only pulled her hair - it’s not like she punched her. I say we give this poor woman a break. I mean, imagine the rotten luck of having your first attempt at child beating on video. How embarrassing!
I saw Toogood on the news either last night or this morning, and she claimed she was scared to turn herself in at first because she’s an Irish Traveller, implying that she feared prejudice from state systems because of her nomadic lifestyle and the reputation of the Travellers as con artists and scammers. Does anyone know anything more about Irish Travellers?
Just for a bit of trivia, I stayed in a hotel near the Indiana border on Saturday night and ate breakfast in the restaurant next to this woman’s family and attorney and listened to them write part of her statement for her. They had all the t.v.'s tuned into the news channels and every time the story came on they would scoff at how unfair they were being.
I saw her lawyer on t.v. later that afternoon in the same sweater and shamrock hat that he was wearing in the lobby.
For an honest mistake, they were sure working hard to establish some sort of spin.
It was the store’s security camera, not the big, bad governmental Big Brother.
It was a SECURITY camera, you know, for security. It wasn’t there to spy on people or intrude into people’s lives.
It was a public place.
If you are more scared of a privately owned, security camera in a public place than the beating of a 4 year old kid, I fear your priorities are a tad bit out of whack.
I agree. I’m really getting concerned about the over the top responses this has generated.
Yes, I think what she did was wrong.
But, I also am in the field of human services and let me assure you that of all the cases of documented child abuse running around, this one doesn’t even make it to the map, IME.
This child was slapped for roughly 25 seconds. Yes, it was horrible. However, talk to your local CPS workers and ask them, what’s the abuse cited in their average case report?
Do we have enough foster care homes to care for all the kids of all the parents who’ve slapped their kids? Not even remotely. there’s tons of kids with visible scars from their beatings, years later, broken bones, burns, and those are the ones that lived. Criminey. In one case that I personally know of, the youngest nearly died because of medical negligence on the part of mom. Mom wasn’t charged at all (yes, she lost custody, but even that took several years).
Do we have enough prison space to lock 'em all up, too, (for the 10 years talked about above)? Well, sure, if we let loose pretty much who all is in there.
What she did was wrong. However, as some one who’s tried to get CPS to take even a report on a child, let alone take custody, I gotta tell you that this one wouldn’t generally generate much of response.
The last two lines of my preceding were from Dirk Moore, a Texas member of the National Association of Bunco Investigators who has investigated the Travellers for 12 years.
I’m not saying there’s a legal issue here. As a business, the store can install as many cameras as it wishes. (I also have the option to not shop there.) But my fear is that incidents like this open the door for government-operated cameras at every street corner. You know, for “safety.”
Again, I’m not defending this woman’s actions. She’s a scumbag who deserves 10 years busting rocks in a quarry. But whenever there’s a news story wherein a camera has aided police in identifying a suspect, people are naturally swayed to believe “cameras are good.” What’s the obvious end result of this? Simple. More cameras. Operated by the government. In public places.
It is my opinion that the operation of government “surveillance” cameras in public places is more evil than the crimes that are being filmed.
huh, I haven’t seen the video and am not a member of the CNN site so couldnt watch the link but my mother had something pretty contrary to say about it. She (who never ever hit any of us) said she felt bad for the mother - she said that what she saw on the video was over the top but not much worse than would have been acceptable 15 years ago by 90percent of parents out there. She didn’t see a closed fist though so perhaps she just didn’t get a good look at the reality.
The doctor who examined her did say there were no signs of abuse and got annoyed when someone requested a CAT/PET scan. He basically said go get another doctor because this child wasn’t abused.
For the people who were asking about Irish Travellers, there is a big pocket of them in North Augusta, SC. They live in a neighborhood with very ornate, fancy homes, which are mostly empty. They won’t live in them for a period of time until they are spiritually “clean”. They live in trailers in the back. They are “Catholic”, but I have a feeling they have changed a few things to suit their values. The men all drive brand-new Chevy trucks, mostly with wenches in the back, and they are all gone “travelling” all during the week carrying out their construction scams and stealing equipment and supplies from construction sites.
The women, who are always seen together in large numbers and with very large Dynasty hair, drive the gold-edition Caddies and yes, they frequent local shopping malls running all kinds of scams. The “refund” scam was a big one. I wouldn’t be surprised if that is what that woman was trying to do. When I lived in Augusta, Ga, I witnessed alot of their behavior. They would enter a store, and one group would distract the sales people, while another group would shoplift the hell outta anything they could get. They got the kids in on it too.
There were about four families, the Carrolls and the Sherlocks being the biggest. They inter-married, all looked alike, and talked just like that quote earlier in this thread. Real intelligent folks, to be sure. They were always on the news due to troubles with the police and the IRS, but somehow they always managed to get out of it.
I will be very interested to see how this comes out. The parenting styles I witnessed, while not this violent, were less than stellar.
For the people who were asking about Irish Travellers, there is a big pocket of them in North Augusta, SC. They live in a neighborhood called Murphy Village, with very ornate, gaudy homes, which are mostly empty. They won’t live in them for a period of time until they are spiritually “clean”. They live in trailers in the back. They are “Catholic”, but I have a feeling they have changed a few things to suit their values. The men all drive brand-new Chevy trucks, mostly with wenches in the back, and they are all gone “travelling” all during the week carrying out their construction scams and stealing equipment and supplies from construction sites.
The women, who are always seen together in large numbers and with very large Dynasty hair, drive the gold-edition Caddies and yes, they frequent local shopping malls running all kinds of scams. The “refund” scam was a big one. I wouldn’t be surprised if that is what that woman was trying to do. When I lived in Augusta, Ga, I witnessed alot of their behavior. They would enter a store, and one group would distract the sales people, while another group would shoplift the hell outta anything they could get. They got the kids in on it too.
There were about four families, the Carrolls and the Sherlocks being the biggest. They inter-married, all looked alike, and talked just like that quote earlier in this thread. Real intelligent folks, to be sure. They were always on the news due to troubles with the police and the IRS, but somehow they always managed to get out of it.
I will be very interested to see how this comes out. The parenting styles I witnessed, while not this violent, were less than stellar.
