4 of the 5 were illegals, it appears.
And electrozion, blow it out your ass.
This may be in very poor taste, but am I the only one that thinks the title of this thread sounds satirical? The wording seems to put the emphasis on the fact that the criminals were homeless immigrants to such a ludicrous extent… I dunno. It’s half past one in the morning and I don’t think I can express myself any better than that. Hopefully someone understands.
~ Isaac
Oooh. Right. You know, most americans think that when you want to marry someone from another country, all you have to do is bring them to the US, marry them, and they become citizens.
Yes, immigration is so liberal indeed!
That’s why it took me 9 months to get a visa allowing me to come to the US (from Canada, no less) and MARRY an American citizen. This involved background checks, security checks, an interview at the consulate, extensive paperwork… JUST TO GET THE PERMISSION TO COME MARRY A US CITIZEN. Oo! And once I got my paper saying I could, it also says I have 90 days to marry said US Citizen, otherwise I get my ass deported! Woohoo!
…and our case was a clean, easy one. Spare me the stories of “but my friend just brought his girlfriend here as a visitor and got married!” Yeah, well, in two years when they try to adjust her status, let’s see if she lied at the port of entry about the reason for her visit. If she answered no to having a boyfriend in the US, or coming in to marry, she’ll get her ass deported for visa fraud.
The US has been ANYTHING BUT immigrant-friendly since 2001. Not only “illegal immigrants” appear out of the woodwork you know… nor are we all “unskilled lettuce pickers”, either. Many (if not most) legal immigrants are hardworking, skilled, educated people who come to the US for a variety of reasons: from family being here (immediate family - husband, child, parent – if it’s a brother or sister, the wait is about 8 years) to marrying a US Citizen and deciding to stay in the US (fiance/e visas for the lot of us), to work (H1-Bs) to students (variety of categories, including the J visa category for apprenticeships in, for example, the medical field)… to refugees and asylees who may very well get killed if they go home.
The problem immigrants face is mainly caused by people like you - those who have NO IDEA of how the system actually works, spew out shit about an open-door policy, and not realizing that THIS ATTITUDE (closed doors, bad immigrants stealing our jobs or leeching off the system) IS THE MAINSTREAM THOUGHT ABOUT IMMIGRATION.
Bitter? Me? YES. Badly. I’m glad we’re through the first hurdles of immigration to the US for me - I love my new city, I love the people here. But the immigration system is ANYTHING but warm fuzzy and friendly and efficient.
Where does that leave me right now? Another 5 years of paperwork before I can apply for citizenship (through marriage to a USC). Yeah. I’m facing another interview in about 2 years, proving I’m still married and still doing grand (yes, we have to provide photos, and affidavits from others saying we are a couple indeed), get through piles of security shit and paperwork… oh, and another pile of papers to be filed in a few weeks (once we’re married) so I can get permission to work and permission to TRAVEL OUT OF THE FREAKIN’ US. Cuz, you see, if I leave without that piece of paper telling me I can come BACK to the US, they will keep me out of the country because I have an American spouse and don’t have the “right visa to re-enter”. They’d send me home, and we’d have to wait about a year or so to get a spousal visa for me to go back. In the meantime, I wouldn’t be able to visit the US, because that visa would be pending and would demonstrate my intention to immigrate… So I need this 110 dollar piece of paper so I can go see my parents in Ottawa and actually come back to the US.
Liberal my ass.
I couldn’t care less about whether these guys were immigrants, Americans, rich, poor, Latino, or friggin’ Martians, for potato’s sake.
They have demonstrated by their actions that the sentences they recieved were too good for them. Jail isn’t going to do anything for these guys. Hell, it’ll be cleaner and better for them than what they had.
How anyone can not be in favor of the death penalty after reading something like this is beyond me.
I have to say, as someone who is a temporary resident in one country, and a migrant to another, that is IS undeniably more disgusting to commit crime and offences in a country that is not your own.
Why do people migrate? For my part, to live somewhere warmer and safer than the country I left behind. Others want a better chance of livelihood, to escape oppression, poverty and disease.
It is therefore disgusting, abhorrent, and despicable that such people would migrate to another country and cause physical harm against the people gracious enough to be hosting them.
So yes - as a migrant myself - I do think it is relevant that the perpetrators were migrants, and I think that they should be imprisoned and deported, with no chance of return. Regardless of whether they have family in their new country, and regardless of whether they face oppression in their previous country.
Violent crime is a CHOICE not a necessity. Stealing milk to feed a starving baby is a necessity, raping a woman is an abomination.
Cite - The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave | Why Illegal Felons Can't Be Deported
From the article:
Do you undestand what a ‘fugitive’ warrant is???
I really doubt that percentage of the total criminal warrants are for illegal immigrants.
so the request for
still stands.
Mmm, you now what a outstanding warrant is uh?
Most likely those thugs fled to Mexico to prevent capture, American thugs many times remain in America, and are captured, so it is less likely for them to remain in the outstanding column. Recent numbers for murders in LA point to immigrants as the most likely victims, since the total homicides In 2002, was 474, I do see the statistic in the City Journal as misleading in an anti-immigration setting. However, the question, as wring states remains: were did they got that number? The paragraph, after the numbers, doesn’t help the case:
Well, good luck if you want us to believe in numbers with no good references.
However, what I see here is reason #10,987 on why the war on drugs should end, not immigration.
Well, while the reference isn’t TOTALLY satisfying, it is a reference, and not from some partisan org. Right now, I’d say that evidence has been procured which indicates that that some immigrants, mostly from Mexico, ARE posing a severe crime problem, severe enough to merit special treatment. The ball is in the court of those who claim the problem doesn’t exist now.
Nobody has claimed the problem doesn’t exist. The question is whether it is a greater problem than crime by native born citizens. The ball is still in the court of those who claim that it is.
Someone tell me why I read into the Op differently. What I saw were HOMELESS immigrants. Illegal or not. Anyone born in this country could commit this crime. What struck me was the fighting over immigration as a whole. I’m Scots/German/Irish/Russian. My family at some point came here (legally), but they had to provide a sponsor to promise to provide for them if they couldn’t make it. They weren’t allowed to just step off the boat and have free run, back then you were responsible for yourself. No immigration policy will be perfect, but I’ll give more weight to an immigrant Mexican working long hours on a farm over a family from any other country looking to cash in on social programs my wife and I are paying for.
Those rules still apply, but it’s kind of hard to enforce them for illegal immigrants. And even legal immigrants may lose their safety net eventually, just as many natural citizens do.
Personally, I don’t give a tinkers damn where these mutts are from. One bullet in the head for each of them, and let that be that.
The fact that they were immigrants had fuck all to do with it. Tell me, anyone, where were Dahmer, Gein, Gacy and Speck raised? Mexico? Japan? Germany? Nope. Right here in the good ol’ USA. Their crimes were a wee bit worse than that of these malcontents, yet no less deserving of one 10 cent express train to hell.
Vandal’s cite:
I want to emphasize that this doesn’t mean that immigrants are inherently criminal. I hope nobody here thinks I believe that. I think the crime statistics are a result of the poverty that is much more prevalent among the immigrant community. Siege, the vast majority of immigrants, at least in my part of the country, are not doctors, engineers and computer programmers, but people who harvest the produce, staff the fast-food counters, clean houses and offices, and perform other low-wage jobs in the economy. These things need to be done, but given today’s economic environment, how can those workers possibly provide for their families? High school graduation and college attendance figures are abysmal, ensuring that succeeding generations will languish in the underclass. I’m not saying this happens with all or most immigrants, as there are many outstanding examples to the contrary, but it does happen.
Specter the phrases: “outstanding warrants” and “fugitive warrants” are subclassifications of the group “All warrants”. the cite also does not specify the length of time we’re dealing w/ (17,000 warrants over a ten year span? 10 day span?).
it is a meaningless number since we have no frame of reference for the data. we cannot tell from that item what percentage of criminal behavior is attributable to illegal aliens. what I can speculate about is that it’d be a helluva lot easier to locate (and serve) a warrant on someone who wasn’t illegal to start off with, since it’d be much more likely they’d be listed somewhere somehow. Illegals 'cause of the nature of their status would be more difficult to find (and thus, more difficult to serve the warrant).
Assuming for the sake of argument that this is true, it’s irrelevant to the discussion at hand … 'cause those succeeding generations are not immigrants.
YEah, but hasn’t that always been true? For the Irish it was.
Well, that can’t be right.
Unless I have been dramatically led astray, practically everyone in America today is the descendent of immigrants.
Are you really saying that successive American generations are getting more and more stupid?
If that was true, then by now, the entire nation wouldn’t have a brain cell to call its own, would it?
And while there are some cynics who might say that this is demonstrably the case, it obviously isn’t, is it?
Why is it assumed by many that people who oppose illegal immigrants are by defualt against all immigration? I certainly am a big fan of legal immigration, Gingy had to go through all of the hoops listed by Elenfair above, and it was a huge pain in the ass, but we did it and she’s now a legal permanent resident. It’s Illegal immigrants that I have a problem with. I saw a spot on CNN the other day about a hospital in Arizona that has to write off 8 billion dollars a year in uncollectable bills because of people who hop the border to get medical treatement and then scamper back to Mexico to dodge the bills. EIGHT BILLION DOLLARS that you and I and all of the legal immigrants have to subsidize through higher health costs and higher insurance. That’s got to stop.
I love the fact that this is a nation of immigrants. One of the best things about living here is the diversity of cultures and people you meet every day. “Give us your tired, your hungry, etc…” is the soul of this country, and our diversity is our greatest strength, AS. LONG. AS. IT. IS. LEGAL. IMMIGRATION.
Illegals should be immediately deported without question, without recourse. We’ll even cover the cost of your ticket home. If you want to come here, I’ll welcome you with open arms, as long as you follow the rules. If you don’t…tough shit, Charlie, hit the road.