Unless the patient’s family wants custody, the baby is probably in foster care and will eventually be adopted.
The Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act (linked above post #23) prohibits employers from requiring employees to submit DNA samples. (There are some exceptions which don’t seem to apply here.)
I’d have assumed a catheter and rectal tube instead.
No, those are avoided as much as possible, as they cause further damage to the body. That applies whether the patient is comatose or merely incontinent.
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Well, pardon me for being a woman who has opinions and expresses them. I guess I should be a nice, quiet girl who never voices a thought that might offended someone. Ain’t going to happen.
If having a woman in a coma who is raped, impregnated and gives birth isn’t an argument for legal abortion, what is?
Let’s make sure that baby goes to a straight, married couple because any other form of parenting (i.e. single, gay, or lesbian) is child abuse.
I don’t know what kind of abortion you want to give this woman unless it’s post-birth. No one knew she was pregnant. My guess is, if they’d had an inkling, they would’ve aborted her under the radar so the news wouldn’t leak out to the general public.
StG
They’ve collected DNA from the male staff. It takes maybe a few weeks for the test results?
If that doesn’t pan out, can they do the same when it comes to the male patients in the facility?
I would bet they need to get permission from the parents/guardians of the patients, assuming the patients are not legally capable of consenting on their own.
I wonder what would happen if some male patient was found to have done it, but lacked the means to understand what he was doing. The care facility would still be on the hook for inadequate supervision, but are they in loco parentis? Would the male patient be transferred to a hospital for the criminally insane? I can’t imagine leaving him in the same care facility - but would anyone else accept him, given the possible liability if he does something like this again? :eek:
Regards,
Shodan
You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, as you know. You just have a truly obnoxious way of expressing it.
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From my memory, that’s two different episodes. One, a man confessed to a rape he did not commit (turned out mentally handicapped girl/woman had sex with a mentally handicapped boy/man - can’t recall ages there), to avoid getting caught for the one he did. That was the one where the patient’s parents hired the rapist because they wanted a grandchild (their daughter miscarried from the accident that killed her husband and put her in a coma). A completely separate episode had the artificial insemination and the I remember the argument that she the patient was an organ donor, so she would have been okay with this. The owner of the sperm then sued for custody (woman’s parent(s) wanted custody, too), but that seemed to be about getting the cord blood/stem cells. I wouldn’t swear both were L&O, but I was thinking they were.
As of right now, the mother’s family is caring for the baby.
Ok, but to be fair you work in a prison. Your horribleness bar is high.
For me, this story’s breathtaking in its awfulness. She was potentially exposed to STDs by her rapist, there’s no telling how often he raped her, and there’s no telling if she was aware of being assaulted. Her family must be shattered by this.
At the risk of insensitivity, because this is certainly an awful thing, but if she wasn’t aware of being assaulted, doesn’t that make this less horrible than most rapes?
I am surprised at a warrant being issued for the DNA of all the male workers. I guess it depends on how large that group is. I thought warrants had to be fairly specific. Any lawyers want to chime in on how broad warrants like that can be?
At the risk of insensitivity, because this is certainly an awful thing, but if she wasn’t aware of being assaulted, doesn’t that make this less horrible than most rapes?
No. No, it does not.
At the risk of insensitivity, because this is certainly an awful thing, but if she wasn’t aware of being assaulted, doesn’t that make this less horrible than most rapes?
I’ve seen that reasoning used to dismiss as “not so serious” rapes of children who at the time didn’t understand what was going on.
Even from a religious perspective, this is wildly incorrect.
God allowed the free will of the perpetrator to override God’s choice on the matter.
God wouldn’t be much of a God if He gave us free will, and then overrode it whenever it was convenient.
Bear in mind that the Christian god (or at least one of the dissociative identity disorder suffering Christian god’s personalities – Holy Ghost) knocked up a woman without her knowing it. That god certainly overrode that woman’s free will when that god rode her. Hopefully the Holy Ghost had not been at it again with that unfortunate woman in the care facility – which brings us to the point: had the impregnated woman been receiving pastoral care?
Bear in mind that the Christian god (or at least one of the dissociative identity disorder suffering Christian god’s personalities – Holy Ghost) knocked up a woman without her knowing it.
No, she consented.
Well, pardon me for being a woman who has opinions and expresses them. I guess I should be a nice, quiet girl who never voices a thought that might offended someone. Ain’t going to happen.
If having a woman in a coma who is raped, impregnated and gives birth isn’t an argument for legal abortion, what is?
Let’s make sure that baby goes to a straight, married couple because any other form of parenting (i.e. single, gay, or lesbian) is child abuse.
What on earth has abortion got to do with this case?
Can you get any more off topic than shouting about abortion in a case where nobody knew she was pregnant until the baby was born?
But this is tragic.
14 YEARS??? Why would anyone keep a person in a vegetative state alive for 14 years??? Let the poor woman die. Let her family move on.
That is a credit to modern medical science and to the standard of care provided. When I was paying more attention to such things, 2 years in a persistent vegetative state would have been a good outcome, and 14 years would have indicated that she was sitting up, and probably could walk with support and direction (like a sleepy child).