That wasn’t the joke. It was a straight-up riff off your sentence “you know, we have that extra chromosome they don’t have”. But nothing kills a joke like explaining it, I hear.
The only sad thing about being a man is some of the other men…
I’ve never said it was a disorder. It is a deficiency, but a perfectly normal one.
There’s a Pit thread where you can stick your sympathy…
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For the White Knights/male feminists, I’m going to throw you a lifeline.
Ever wonder why you’re in the friendzone?
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Oooh, oooh, I know that one, coach ! Pick me, pick me !
It’s because you expected that being nice, non-creepy and not making any sexual advances to a woman somehow entitled you to sex with her, and your disappointment at not getting any sex out of your pretend friendship proves that you really *were *in it only for the sex, were not genuinely being nice and are, in fact, a toxic piece of work !
I watched from start to finish. What is it that you think I should take away from this brief preview other than the fact that MRA’s exist and have an axe to grind?
Why is sex always stressed in these arguments? It seems to me that the most likely reason why you would end up in the friendzone would be that you’re in love, not just seeking sex. If it was the later, presumably, you wouldn’t hang around the woman who rejected you, and rather would try to score with another one. If you cling on some delusionary hope that maybe someday…and torture yourself by staying around the woman you desire and doesn’t desire you, I strongly doubt that it’s just because you really really want to fuck this specific vagina.
Sex is a powerful motivator, but feelings are much stronger, and it’s most typically love that prevents you from moving on and makes you ruin your life (not just with unrequitd love, but also because you love an asshole, or love a married guy whoisn’t going to divorce, etc…).
I think it’s fairly striking the lengths the opponents of MRA are willing to go to stop even peaceful meetings taking place, and the condemnations they’re being met with. (Protest at University of Toronto) I find them to be a whiny bunch, but MRAs are not neo-Nazis marching through the village, and they do have legitimate issues they should be allowed to raise and discuss. If this is what they’re met with I’m going to assume it’s because they touch at some deep felt senses of structural power and entitlements, which the protesters don’t want to be questioned or brought into the light.
(and Canadians that say “fack” need to be put down like sick animals, that’s just a disgrace for humanity)
They get a bad name because many of them are misogynist. In an earlier thread, I analyzed an MRA message board and found almost all the posts were simple misogyny, and only a handful were about the supposed issues.
MRAs are not a set of concerned citizens with a misogyny problem. They are a set of misogynists who strategically use issues to deflect criticism.
I think they’re probably all sorts. Like you know, feminists are all sorts. Not sure if you’re serious about characterizing a whole movement by looking at a few posts on a random messageboard. I’m pretty sure I can find some nasty posts on a feminist forum - and the reply to that (in this thread) is that those kind of nasty feminist are not representative of the kind of feminism other people subscribe to.
Here are the top posts on mensrights on reddit. None of those (reading from the headline) are misogynist. Can’t be bothered to copy the rest, but none of them are neither. They’re kinda busy with feminism this and feminism that. But that’s perhaps because they’re told all the time (like in the video) that they should just take their problems to the feminists, when that is obviously a lie.
A link to an image about how women are no better or worse than men.
CDC Study: More Men than Women Victims of Partner Abuse
Female teacher sexually abuses her students, 13 and 16 year old girls. Not one mention of “rape” or “assault” in article. Instead she’s accused of “wooing” them.
Cassie Jay’s “The Red Pill” documentary is now funded.
Feminist Ethics Professor Found Guilty of Raping Severely Retarded Black Man
Transgender woman goes to male prison, and suddenly people are concerned with prison rape.
The word ‘too’ is sexist and hurts women.
Please Don’t Threaten My Son For Dating Your Daughter
“Women make the decision in the purchases of 94% of home furnishings…92% of vacations…91% of homes… 60% of automobiles…51% of consumer electronics”; “feel vastly underserved”.
Props to my local sheriffs office for knowing that men can be victims too
Obese Swedish men, but not women, are discriminated against in the workplace regardless of skills
Anyone here concerned about circumcision and the right of boys to genital integrity?
Women are bad. Sex crimes are treated differently for women. (note: feminist concern)
Someone made a movie about how women are bad
Women are bad
Nobody cares about prison rape (note: feminist concern)
Feminists are bad
Paternalistic attitudes toward dating now are bad (note: feminist concern)
Women make some household decisions
Women are bad
People discriminate against fat people (note: feminist concern)
Circumcision is bad
So we have a handful of issues, most of which are not ignored by or in opposition to feminism. And then we have the female crime log.
I don’t see anything wrong with talking about disparate sentencing, etc. But after a point the female crime log starts seeming like an excuse to kvetch about how bad women are- much like the many racial crime logs found on racist sites (who, of course, frame it as just being a concerned citizen.)
I’m pleased to note that this Reddit has none of the commentary on marriage and dating that is where the misogyny is often the worst. I’m not sure why that is- it’s certainly not representative of MRA conversations as far as I know. But that absence likely explains some of how sane this particular selection seems.
Maybe in a decade or two, the movement will step away from the misogynists. I have no idea how they expect to do that without aligning with those feminists that share an equal concern with destructive gender norms. But whatever they do in the future, it hasn’t happened yet.
I agree. Women will almost never date “down.” Men will happily date just about anyone, so long as she’s attractive. There’s a saying: women are the gatekeepers of sex; men are the gatekeepers of commitment. Just as women are under no obligation to provide sex, men are under no obligation to provide commitment.
Some people say men are “commitment-phobic,” or immature, or that they should “man up” and get married. The reality is that marriage is generally a bad deal for men. It’s a non-binding contract, that can be cancelled unilaterally at any time. And if there is a divorce, the woman likely gets a cash prize: 97% of alimony goes to women, as well as 90% of child support. And of course she’s likely to get primary custody of any children, as well as the family home. Perhaps that’s why women initiate divorce 70% of the time.
It’s not immature to recognize a bad deal when you see it.
Many (most I’d think) men do actually want a steady long term relationship as well as family and children, so the question is if not marrying would change any of that, if the alternative is just living together without a marriage contract?
The Patriarchy is a made up ideology that caught the minds of victim thinking feminists in the 1970s. It does not exist, except in their minds. It is not real.
To demonstrate: if our society was controlled and run by “the patriarchy”, men (the “oppressors”) would not even have employed women. We would not have let women become educated. We would not have let women have any opinion of their own, and kept them in slavery, hidden from society. We would not have allowed “feminism” to exist, as it would conflict with our dogma. We would not allow women to vote. Sounds like a middle eastern dictatorship, but not any western society that I know of.
And I take into account the comments that “the patriarchy” is insidious. But Occam’s razor takes care of that. “among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected”. No one has pointed out any examples of “the patriarchy” existing, or it’s direct effects, or in fact, anything concrete at all. “the patriarchy” is to feminism what “God” is to religion. We believe it exists, yet we have absolutely no proof whatsoever, and point to “miracles” and literature to try to prove its existence. I’m an atheist when it comes to feminism. The Patriarchy doesn’t exist, except in the minds of the feminist religion devotees.
This brings up an interesting question. Is the concept of Patriarchy falsifiable? When inequalities which favour men are labelled ‘sexism’ and inequalities which favour women are labelled as ‘reverse sexism’ or ‘benevolent sexism’ and both are attributed to “The Patriarchy”, how is one supposed to prove in theory that the Patriarchy doesn’t exist? What evidence would suffice?
Unless and until we were forced to by those uppity feminists, which is pretty much what happened. If that doesn’t sound like any western society that you know of, some study of history might be in order.
I think you have to define something before you can test whether the definition is true, or write the definition to correspond with observable facts, or never settle on a definition and never be falsifiable. In any case, an actual test is a ways off.
And should you get that far, the next squabble would its overall effect. Does the sexism, and reverse sexism, and benevolent sexism add up to a net plus or a net minus, and how much?
I found this interesting, because the documentary kickstarter linked above is for “Red Pill Documentary.” There is a Red Pill reddit, as well. So now that we’ve looked at mensrights subreddit, what’s going on in the redpill subreddit?
Flashback Post #1 She Doesn’t Love You. An older post, revived to explain that your woman doesn’t ACTUALLY love you. She loves her attraction to you. But not ACTUALLy you.
NoNothingNovember Challenge - giving up vices, that’s good.
The Covert Reason Feminists Loathe Gay Men.
Keep your feelings to yourself, and especially away from women.
Mirrored Posture - something about alpha to alpha male confrontations in social settings. Not about women at all, good!
The power of Walking Away. Just glanced at it and the author is referring to women as “plates.” As in, juggling them.
You won’t know when she cheats.
CC Rider, 90 guys by age 20 and no shame. It’s a little blurb and link to some post by a women who commenters referred to as a whore and “not a carousel rider, but instead the whole amusement park.”.
Another example showing AWALT (All Women Are Like That, in case you were wondering)
A reminder that you always need to be on your game. Especially in an LTR. (Hamster inside) {I don’t know what that hamster thing means.}
As I said before, I checked this subreddit because of the name of the documentary. Feminism is not a monolith, nor is the MRA movement. But there is a fair amount of misogyny in this subsection.
It’s likely because you weren’t in a MRA forum, but likely a RedPill one. There’s actually a difference between an MRA, MGTOW and a RedPiller. They are all part of the manosphere but each would scoff at you if you called them all MRA’s
Too many men have been sold on the idea that being “nice” to women - buying them things, listening to the problems, being there for them - will eventually win them over. The problem is that attraction is not negotiable. No amount of being nice will make a woman attracted to you.
The problem is that when those guys wake up, and realize being nice won’t get them anywhere. Then they feel like they’ve been lied to. And they’re right.
