I really don’t think it would be a good idea to make any kind of remark about the mother of a strange, aggressive man.
I know that saying “Would you want someone yelling that at your sister?” gets the “Nobody would dare do that to MY sister.” I know that catcallers get far more unhappy when they find out someone catcalled their family member. Apparently some of them KNOW what they’re doing is mean, cruel, and degrading, because they get very unhappy when someone does it to their wife/girlfriend/sister/mom.
I listen to my mp3 player loud enough so I can’t hear most people, but I’m pretty careful. Then again, I’m probably the only woman in this thread who has sometimes responded positively to catcallers, so I get the sense that I’m at a greater risk of getting raped and chopped up into bits than of getting hit by a car…
Dont mis order at a Sonic Hamburger…word to the wise for sure…
Fighting ignorance indeed.
Hey guys: women are harassed, molested, beaten, and raped daily. Also, cops don’t always have your best interests at heart, especially if you’re a minority. Also, the entire political mechanism is a corrupt sham and they’re in bed with big business (or they’re the same people). Wars and foreign intervention are for hegemony or money making purposes, not spreading Freedom and Liberty. Just like every other country. This is 101 shit.
As for the general problem of women being harassed I think an excellent solution is violence. That’s all men understand. Or at the least the type of men who like to follow women and talk about how they can “smell their cunts.” Mace isn’t enough, but a knife to the throat might be. If this becomes a common thing it may actually stop, unless men are even more fucked up than I think.
They are. Any man who would follow you talking about how he can smell your cunt would very likely be the kind of man who will take that knife away from you and do things to you that you would rather he didn’t…and which he likely wouldn’t have if you hadn’t pulled that knife on him.
Remember O.J.'s If I Did It? He says (hypothetically) *“If only she hadn’t come outside with that knife!” *It not only infuriated him that she would pull a knife on him in the first place, but it provided the weapon needed for the violence that followed.
I made a post earlier that most people seem to have ignored, but I’ve known a lot of these types of guys over they years, and you don’t want to fuck with them. If they respected and/or had any regard for women (in other words, were chivalrous enough not to hit or beat them) they wouldn’t be acting that way to begin with. They are not scared of you, and they are not scared of your knife. At the very most they’d act scared till you let your guard down and then they’d take your knife from you, but more likely they’ll just get pissed off and take it from you to begin with.
I know this is gonna piss a fair number of people off, but as Dirty Harry says, “You’ve got to know your limitations.” Women aren’t big, they aren’t strong, and shitheel men are not scared of them! As much as it grates, the smart and safe thing to do is ignore it and get to safety as best you can. Confronting these guys and trying to play their game is very likely to get you hurt. (And again, if you assault them first, they’re very likely gonna get away legally with whatever they do to you as a result.)
All righty then. Sorry 'bout that. I’ll try to stay current.
That’s correct, even if you’re a majority. In Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981), the court ruled that it’s a “fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen”. They need only protect or serve the public at large — never any particular individual in need of service or protection, even if they’re witnessing a crime underway.
This thread makes me sad.
I’ve been having this insidious feeling (no, you comedians out there, it’s not about my personal experience) that relationships among anyone with any differences: race, gender, creed, class, and religion, to name a few, are breaking down. It honestly seems to me like a great big sore is being burst open and what we’re seeing right now is the pus and blood of resentment and pent-up frustration being borne out on anyone who counts as “the other”.
I’m seeing it in the catcalling asshole who started the situation that resulted in his friend catching a beating, seeing it in the beating of that innocent man by women who really ought to know to use their words or get the hell away instead of committing assault, seeing it in Hispanic gangs killing black people on the Southwest side to initiate themselves into gangs, and I’m for damn sure seeing it with the motherfucking teabaggers ('nuff said)… it’s like this spirit of narcissism has completely seized the country. Ego uber alles. Don’t be the bitch. Make that other fucker the bitch. Get yours.
It’s a losing game! That’s all the fuck they ever do in prison!
You know what? Fuck fools that just yell out any random garbage that pops into their microintellects to make a woman feel objectified. Fuck fools that assume every person with an X and a Y chromosome is out to rape and kill and take and never give. Right now I only see two teams, the crazies and the sane. I know what roster I want to be listed on.
Good post, Enfant. Lots to think about there.
There are people on all sides who’ll exaggerate to suite themselves and feminism has for the most part been a strong influence in restoring women to belief in masculine domination and superiority that at best they can only join and never think to change with alternative values. That is because ‘masculine’ means ‘what suits corporate business’.
The truth is that the whole of our social setup, including feminism, supports that that is how men, especially young men are. If they are not, women of their age despise them as ‘wimps’ and ‘fags’. It is comforting to imagine that these are pathetic immature boys that no woman would touch but the truth is that they are likely to have had sex, if not any kind of a relationship, with far more females than men who go on about ‘equality’ and ‘friendship’, and the girls no more wanted anything to do with them afterwards than they did with the girls. If you don’t care and just go on demanding sex, eventually you’ll get it even if she regrets it afterwards.
Feminism tells us that that is how men always behave and expect women to be sexual providers with no sexual demand of their own, so no point showing any greater respect since you’ll only be put down as a hypocrite. Luckily, very few women or even girls think of themselves as feeble feminists ‘oppressed’ by the superior rapist male of their own fantasy that they so wish they could be. That was a sort of blast from the past to undermine the feminine challenge to coservative values some 40+ years ago and it succeeded all too well - like Stalin and Mao being bigger Emperors than the traditional Emperors before them.
The only way you stop men behaving like tossers is to also stop girls thinking it ‘liberated’ and ‘equal’ to behave as bad - since girls are not likely to want to rape boys and get the same thrill out of it - and to value boys as the boys value them, to stop treating sex as a commodity they have for sale and to treat it as a shared act between friends or at least people with respect for each other. The cat-calling wankers stay with their mates as teenagers because no girl will have them, and pretty soon it gets through to boys that girls wield control, girls decide whether to admire the wimps who show them affection or the tossers doing the cat-calling, and in turn girls show boys how women want men to be.
It is not women’s fault of course, but it is very much the fault of ‘feminists’ and other women’s groups that they have wrung their hands and wittered how feeble and helpless poor little girlies are and how their only relation to men is submission and everything traditionally associated with women inferior that they must reject to achieve equality with men instead of asserting equal and demanding men show equal with women.
You can see the ‘feminist’ masculine bias even in something like abortion debate. The question is always about women getting rid of pregnancy so they can be the same as men, never about why they feel the need to and whether men should be expected to pay just as much attention to children and family life as women have been expected to.
That is not equality, it is submission, the sexist equivalent of the old anti-racism that said every non-white could fit into superior white culture as well as those born to it and lose their ‘primitive’ heritage. They were right and a big improvement on belief in racial inferiority. But they were wrong too, to dismiss all non-European culture as valueless, to insist jazz and rock were degenerate jungle rhythm even though a ‘cultivated Negro’ could of course appreciate Beethoven and Mozart. African - or Indian or Chinese - culture just had nothing worth bothering about. That is very much the women in the boardroom kind of 'feminism. The more extreme represented [My sexual revolution | Women | The Guardian]here](My sexual revolution | Women | The Guardian) is more like the resentful Black playing up to racist shambling ape images.
Both of them assure the status quo because they either fit women into it or exclude them without influence. Neither allows the possibility of changing men and the status quo. But in reality, ‘Black’ influence has permeated ‘White’ culture by default far more than any activists ever planned - and often against their plans. ‘Feminine’ is changing society far more than ‘feminists’ like.
Remember ET -* divide et impera*
You don’t appear to be listening. Ignoring it will frequently ramp up the guy’s aggression, too. He regards that as an insult, as in the woman is not taking him seriously enough to answer. These guys get REALLY pissy and aggressive when they’re ignored. They want a reaction, any kind of reaction, from the woman they’re harassing. That’s what we’ve been trying to tell you.
And probably mace, or a gun, will get him to back off. Yeah, he might take a knife away from a woman, but mace and guns are longdistance weapons.
So the time I had my genitals grabbed twice by a group of drunk middle aged woman in a club would have given me a pass to beat them until they were dead. The fuckers? You are seriously mental you freakbag. I can honestly understand being annoyed about it but surely the level this happens can’t be that constant that it’s driven you to insanity? I’d be curious to see what you look like as you must be one hot tamale to be hit on that often that it’s ground you down to the point that you actually advocate beating people to death. You poor thing.
I like the gun idea. (I’m buying my wife a shotgun for our next anniversary.) Just be sure you shoot the right one.
Bitch, please. Two women grabbing your fellas on one isolated occasion is in no way similar to what we’re talking about here. And as for the rest of your post… good gods. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume your reading comprehension skills aren’t that poor. Come back once you’ve actually read the thread.
What have I missed? The numerous times you have advocated violence for catcalling or the numerous examples you have given of when this has happened to you?
I’m merely saying that if you experience this on a daily level then I can understand why you are so rabidly angry about it. The one time I got physically, sexually assaulted (not to mention the few times I’ve been catcalled by drunk women) has really made me quite angry. You go girl!
Are you going to make me multi-quote the entire thread? First:
Also, there was talk about varying levels of street harassment, starting from a mere whistle, up to all-out following and name-calling, but I’ve already selected what I want to quote, and I don’t feel like going back and requoting because you don’t like to read. Next, there were a gazillion people in this very thread who’ve also pointed out how often this happens, and how little this has to do with physical attractiveness, or anything else the woman is doing right/wrong. I’m no outlier here, I’ve just been the one making a lot of noise about it. I’m not going to quote everyone here, but here are a few:
It happens frequently, to a lot of women, and at times we get flat-out angry about it. So someone answer the question. How often does it need to happen before we’re justified in being mad? Daily? Once every other day? Once a week? Once a month? Once a month for hour many years before a woman is justifiably pissed?
And most importantly, since you seem to be clueless, read this and let it marinate. Sit down, grab a tumbler of good, aged rum (none of that Bacardi business), and then read this again:
But the point is WHY SHOULD SOMEONE HAVE TO CHANGE??? That’s granting power to fuckers who should be the ones to change.
I also need to quote this, because no one commented on it, and I think it’s good. You think a man would scream at another man repeatedly and/or follow him, then call him a “bitch” when ignored or rejected? If he did, he’s either not afraid of getting his ass kicked or knows some A+ jui jitsu.
Chemical castration juju in the water system. Hell, in the world’s water supply.
It’s the only way to be sure.