Could we not please? I mean, me being a witch and all.
One thing that baffles me, and maybe this is for another thread, is how this man, who had so much potential, decided to enter into the world of hate and how he managed to stay in this state of hatred for so long (at least 30 years).
Did you know that he was once a physics professor? Like the Unabomber, he gave up his position and went on to destructive things. What’s the deal with PH.D’s going psycho anyways?
Lots of people without Ph.Ds go psycho, too - they’re just not smart enough to survive long enough to have a long career. 
It’s nice to see an honest and intelligent sentiment, well-expressed. It makes a good antidote to sanctimonious bile.
Never mind that you want to dance on this guy’s grave, or piss on it, or whatever. What gets me is that those who say that clearly consider themselves virtuous for doing so. I disagree.
I guess I understand your feelings on this Fenris. I guess I just didn’t like, as Reuben points out, how virtuous everyone seems to think they are for rejoicing in a death. It sort of feels like a holier-than-thou, post-mortem Pit pile-on. I suppose being relieved at the death of an enemy to you and your family is understandable, especially as it represents the removal of a threat to your own person.
Going out of one’s way to point out one’s joy over a death is nevertheless something that I myself would not do. Since I judge you to be a sensible and reasonable person, I presume your feelings come not out of any bloodlust or moral arrogance, but from what you perceive as a reasonable reaction under your particular circumstances. Our feelings are of course our own.
Let’s say it’s oh, 1945 or so Rueben and Rex.
Are you telling me that you wouldn’t be dancing when you heard that Hitler was kaputt?
As Eve said at the beginning of this thread-please don’t go on insisting that “every life is sacred.”
Here’s my take on it:
He wanted my friend Nick dead because he’s black and married to a white woman.
He wanted my friend Sally dead because she’s white and married to a black man
He wanted their ** two beautiful children** dead because they’re of a mixed race.
He wanted my friend Richard dead because he’s hispanic and married to a white woman.
He wanted my friend Lisa dead because she’s white and married to a hispanic man
He wanted my ** beautiful god- child** dead because she’s of a mixed race.
He wanted my friend **Mark ** dead because he’s Jewish.
He wanted my friend Nora dead because she’s Jewish.
He wanted their ** beautiful daughter ** dead she’s Jewish.
He wanted my neice Megan dead because she’s gay.
Excuse me for being happy that there’s a little less evil on the planet.
jlzania;
But there isn’t less evil on the planet because he’s gone; his hate and his writings are not. I see no use in adding to the hate.
I don’t want little Megan dead anymore than I want to dance on ANYONE’S grave. It’s mean and tacky and cheapens one’s soul.
I agree with Reuben and RexDart; but Beverly Eads said it best.
Wouldn’t it have been better if he had lived and recanted?
Respectfully disagreeing j66. I 've surfed his web site as I have Stormfront. Most of these buffos aren’t very smart. Pierce was. He provided a focus and blue print for hate. He gave it pseudo-intellectual trappings and a creditabilty .
I am not dancing on his grave but I am glad we no longer share the planet.
You call it mean and tacky-I call it an honest emotion.
It would cheapen my soul to pretend otherwise.
It may be an ‘honest emotion’, but it is not an honest post.
I called dancing on his grave tacky and mean; if you’re not dancing on his grave, then you have nothing to disagree about.
But misquoting some-one is not respectful in any sense of the word, no matter how many of your friends and relatives some dead psycho wanted dead.
Where’s the little smiley face with steam coming out of the ears?
j66, it’s pretty natural that folks are going to express some satisfaction that the man has shuffled off this mortal coil. He was evil, (and that’s not a word I toss around lightly,) and influential.
When you’re pacifist and libertarian by nature, pinheads like Pierce are a real thorn-- on the one hand, it’s easy to see, if you squint just right, that shortening his life, or squelching his speech through some legislative means, would bring short-term benefits. But compromises like that are far too costly. So when nature takes its course, and he draws his last breath, we’re gonna be thankful that that part of the ordeal is over.
Hooray! I can download mp3’s from my alt.binaries.radio.misc newsgroup without it being cluttered up with Pierce’s weekly hour-long hate-filled rant. That much more space on the server for stuff that’s worth listening to.
There are far too many folks of middling intelligence out there-- stupid enough to accept Pierce’s racist theories at face-value, but smart enough to convert his (constitutionally protected) speech & fiction into practical application.
As I said, I’m relieved. People like that, hateful and influential make me very nervous.
Any-one who tries to twist the truth ALSO makes me very nervous. If some-one misrepresents what I wrote in print in the post immediately in front of theirs, I get truly scared. Remember ‘1984’?
Or am I referring to ‘Brave New World’? Two of the few books I’ve really enjoyed that I can not re-read.
I follow many blogs, I post on many… I lurk here… it’s rare that I AOL to someone… but this time I have to say it.
ME TOO! yes, Fuck him… be glad he’s dead… I’m glad he’s dead… we all should be… one more pimple on the ass of society that we don’t have to worry about any more… any piece of crap that doesn’t like a person because of their sexual preference or skin color or religion deserves no mourning… he’s gone, that’s a GoodThing™
Thank you Tranquilis for summing it up so well…
also… just so no one thinks I’m posting out of personal agenda… bobo = white heterosexual male… I just dislike in-duh-viduals that spout that kind of crap… one less of them, is a good thing… I have too many friends that are “different” from me to accept this kind of human… (I will defend his 1st amendment right to say it to my death… but won’t feel bad when he can’t say it any more)
ok, now I’m feeling all worked up… I’m going back into lurker mode so I don’t say something I shouldn’t… night all
bobo:
cool.
feel better for getting that off your chest?
I guess that’s why we’re all here.
But, I’m curious; what button of yours did this guy push? I mean, yours was not a ‘tish, tish, what a mean man’ kind of response.
This guy did NOT hate ‘you’ (you know, your ‘kind’); (I don’t even know how to talk about this stuff) but there is something very personal in your post. Want to share?
Just a WAG, but I’m guessing that bobo’s coming from a Homo sum: humani nihil a me alienum puto sorta perspective. I’m a “white”, historically heterosexual male, too. I still think the guy works better as fertilizer than as a sorry excuse for a human being.
Do you really not understand what a vile person this was? How many people have lost their lives because of him? How many more likely still will?
Pah! I spit on his grave.
Thank you for understanding what I was asking; I really did NOT know how to say it.
BUT, I do not really understand the personal level of hatred that bobo, and now Larry, is feeling. You haven’t adressed my question, you’ve just asked me why I’ve asked it. But it was a real question.
I am not asking why people believe he was a bad man (or suggesting he was not); I am asking why people, and bobo in particular, feel so PERSONALLY … well, I don’t mean to offend, but hateful? (as in ‘full of hate’ not ‘worthy of hate’).
Was it his intelligence? People seem particulary offended by his reported eloquence (I do not read racist writings; call me weak.)
Do I understand how vile he was? Well, no. I don’t understand anything about him. I do not get it; I can recogniae the roots of 90% of the ‘anti-isms’ I hear expressed, but I do not get promoting them. No, I do not understand it at all.
Again, not a challenge, but a question:
Do you resent this hatefilled person manipulating you into hating back? Even after death?
The moral relativism required to claim that our hatred that was earned tenfold by this fucker is anything like the hatred of innocents, which he preached, is honestly fucked-up.
I am glad he’s dead, I will be glad when Fred Phelps dies, I will be glad when anyone evil dies- and that doesn’t make me a bad person.
Okay, fair enough. Understand this: “When an honorable man confronts evil, he must neither submit to it nor ignore it, but he must take up arms against it.” This is from the jacket-copy of Pierce’s second novel, Hunter, published under the psuedonym “Andrew McDonald”.
The words of an enthusiast from Amazon’s review page describes the book pretty succinctly:
I’m sorry, but being glad at the passing of someone who preaches to the ignorant (who lap it up) that it’s “honourable” to murder people, is in no way “hating them back.” Reciprocal hate would involve advocating bringing about an untimely death for the man and bleating followers.
D’ya think Tim McVeigh got the brilliant idea that cost 168 people their lives on his own? Hell no, he read *The Turner Diaries:*
McVeigh, of course, just went straight for the ammonium nitrate-- after all, it gets the job done.
That’s just one highly publicized case. Then of course there were the yahoos that explicitly called themselves “The Order.” There’s a few more killings, and millions of dollars from the proceeds of crimes, into the coffers of hate groups. Hooray! More guns for nutjobs! And they did it as it was scripted for them, starting with chump-change and continually reinvesting it.
The seductive appeal of the Turner Diaries is that it suggests that, by escalating violence to the point where it becomes feasible to overthrow the government, a revolution will come about and magically the poor suckers who build the bombs won’t be misunderstood losers, universally reviled by intelligent people:
It seems obscene to a rational person, but that’s the Glorious Future that the National Alliance folks are working for.
This is why so many people are quite comfortable putting on our Munchkin shoes and indulging in a rousing chorus of “Ding, Dong, the Fuhrer’s dead.”
The world really is better without him, in the most tangible and palpable way imaginable.[ul]Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Fucking Fuhrer is dead. He’s gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let’s open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong, the merry-o, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know - The Fucking Fuhrer is dead![/ul]
Oh, and grendel?
You said it, man. 
To say that he manipulated us into hating him back implies that he wanted us to hate him. But that’s not what he wanted. He wanted all white people to join him in his cause.
So we have not been manipulated into hating him. We hate the fucking asshole of our own free will.
Um…are you insane?
I can’t speak for bobo (having no idea who his ‘kind’ is), but he certainly did hate me and “my kind”.
My dad lost a chunk of his family in the Holocaust and this asshole-who-walked wanted to recreate it! This waste of oxygen wrote a book (“The Turner Diaries”) that several lunatics have taken and used as a blueprint for their crimes (the OKC bombing, to name one), and he wrote another one that could also be used as a blueprint on “How to kill Jews”.
Either you have no idea who this guy was, in which case: educate yourself or shut the fuck up until you do OR you’re a blithering idiot and don’t think that race-hatred/anti-semitism/homophobia, etc exists. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re not a fan of his trying to be coy. But statements like:
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make me wonder. I have no idea what you’re blithering about but it sure fucking sounds to me like you’re saying “Jeepers! It’s wrong to fight back!”.
Because he advocated murdering me, personally, my parents, personally, my brother and his wife, their children, etc.
Ok, now you’re starting to sound like an apologist for this psycho again:
#1) The man was a moron. Perhaps a well-schooled one, but a moron nonetheless. Anyone who advocates blowing up buildings and murdering groups of people as a legitimate means of social discourse is a fucking idiot.
#2) His writing was garbage. He touched on a powerful plotline, I’ll grant him that (read Larry Mudd’s excellent post above), but the writing itself was barely junior-high composition class. (I haven’t read “Hunter”, I have read “Turner”.
#3) Perhaps if you’d pull your head out of your ass and read the fucking thing you’d understand why those of us targeted by this weeping pustule (and those who support us) are so upset.
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Hmmm…gollygee…could you tell ME what you “recognized” about the “roots” of anti-semitism? I’d sure be interested in hearing what YOU have to say?
And lemme tell you this, J66, if your next post says anything like “Gee-whillikers! I’ve never read or heard ______ but I don’t understand why it upsets you” again and I’m going to be pissed.
Fenris