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Can I request a clarification in that regard? This comment appeared in response to saying that reading the book would make you appear to be a pedophile (or to be lacking in sensitivity or empathy), directed at somebody for saying they wanted to read it.
While the “close minded” comment reads as an insult and that much is clear enough, did the “pedophile” comment not count as such too? Sorry if this isn’t the place for asking such questions, but I would like to understand. They’re obviously both insulting things to say, but it seems only one qualifies as an ‘insult’ where the rules are concerned. Just trying to get a handle on what counts as overstepping the mark and what doesn’t.
Ah. I see. Insulting a group vs insulting a person: “such as yourself” tips the balance.
This is so bogus. His own son, who was a teenager in the house at the time and is now a licensed psychotherapist, says there’s no way the molestation actually happened. The Yale experts who investigated it and interviewed Dylan believe it was a confabulation. Woody passed a polygraph. No one has ever accused Woody of any other misconduct (unless you are convinced his marrying Soon-Yi, a perfectly legal act, qualifies). Mia Farrow had a huge motive to try to undermine the ex who had left her. And we think the first time Woody, if he were a pedophile, would think to do this would be after the separation with other kids and a babysitter in the house? Please.
Allen is one of the great artists in history and has been horribly mistreated.
:rolleyes: Might as well say “Woody sank to the bottom when we dunked him”…
Do you mean specifically paedophilia, or do 16 y.o girls count? Because there’ve been accusations.
If 16 year olds are the baseline than likely 90% of rock/pop/hip hop artists should be suspect. Or is the difference that one is an ugly nebishy Jewish man?
What makes you think I *don’t *also condemn those rock/pop/hip-hop stars?
And 90% is a stretch.
No, 16 year olds don’t count.
Statch? What’s that?
Is that because of New Math?
She was an aspiring model who approached Woody at a restaurant and gave him her number shortly before her 17th birthday and says he never asked her age. It’s unclear whether they first had sex shortly before she turned 17 or shortly after, which is significant because 17 was the legal age of consent in New York at the time. But given that in most states the age of consent was 16 or younger at that time (when I was a teenager in Minnesota, it was 15), this whole thing does not belong in a discussion of pedophile rape.
I would have an affair with an attractive 16 year old girl if the law allowed it. I would not have an affair with a 16 year old girl if the law did not allow it, because I don’t want to go to prison. But I would never dream of any kind of sexual contact with a seven year old, regardless of the law. That’s sick, depraved, disgusting. So let’s not conflate these things, please.
I agree. In a Capitalist society, one votes with one’s dollars. It would be right up there with buying an R Kelly album, or tickets to a Mel Gibson movie.
So it’s OK because it feels good to you? How old are you? How might you having an affair with a 16-year old girl affect her emotional development? Do you think it would promote a normal, equal relationship dynamic in her life?
Just because you are physically attracted to someone does not mean it’s OK to have sex with them. That’s an actual three-dimensional human there, who is still developing and growing. Regardless of what the law says, using her for your physical gratification is wrong.
Remember, the law is just the last bastion of decency. It defines the lowest you can possibly go without needing to be removed from society. The couple of weeks before or after a 17th birthday may define a legal safety zone for you, but they don’t magically make the situation healthy for the girl.
Here’s a full account of the relationship by the woman who was involved with Woody Allen at age 16:
Woody Allen’s Secret Teen Lover Speaks: Sex, Power and a Conflicted Muse Who Inspired ‘Manhattan’
In 1976, 16-year-old model Babi Christina Engelhardt embarked on a hidden eight-year affair with the 41–year-old filmmaker that mirrors one of his most famous movies. Now, amid the #MeToo reckoning and Allen’s personal scandals, she looks back with mixed emotions on their relationship and its unequal dynamic.
She doesn’t directly criticize or blame Allen, but at the same time he comes out of her account looking pretty unpleasant. It’s clear that he only wanted her for sex, and otherwise had zero interest in her as a person.
Whelp, I’m starting to see a possible difference between Woody Allen supporters and myself…
I just want to point out that even Allen’s staunchest defenders on these boards, of which I count myself as one, come short of describing the man as “pleasant.” If the film director in question were Werner Herzog or Ingmar Bergman, I doubt we’d be feigning indignation or shock. My expectations of Woody Allen are pretty much satisfied when he makes approximately one movie a year.
Jesus.
Allen said a few years back he doesn’t know why he gets money to make movies since the box office take is so small. He added that as long as the money is there he will keep making movies.
I don’t think it would be good thing if only good people got to write books. I have read the autobiographies of Malcolm X, Sam Gravano, and Lucky Luciano, who all did horrible things.
I don’t believe he molested his daughter but he has behaved horribly to many women in his life and to his family. However, he is a great writer, is very thoughtful, and has led a very interesting life. I would like to read his autobiography.
No one is stopping Allen from writing anything.
I think most of his movies make a modest amount of money and then occasionally one strikes it bag, so it’s a pretty good investment.