Agreed. I play a Disc/Holy priest (with a Holy/Disc spec for when I’m a raid healer or doing a heroic), and they are awesome tank healers. If you don’t want to link to her name, could you reproduce her spec via Wowhead or something and post a link? I suppose it’s possible to screw up your spec enough to make the job tougher, but I do suspect most of it is lack of knowledge/caring/ability.
For my part, I now have two 80s to my name, with Nahren dinging yesterday. Three months of real time, just under 13 days of /played time. Considering how bad my alt-itis can get, I consider that a real personal achievement. In the past I’ve rarely stuck with a character long enough to get them past the mid levels. But I dare say Druids are more fun than I ever expected they would be, well over my beloved Pallies. 
I am “this” close to rolling a prot/holy tank because of all the caster plate that gets converted into shards, we literally have prot/ret paladins piacking up caster plate “just in case” they decide to go holy one day.
Respecced my resto/feral druid to resto/moonkin and was shocked by how easy it was. I traded some conquest badges for 2 piece tier 8.5 and triumph badges for 2 piece tier 9, add a hit trinket, some gems and enchants and I have a raid ready offspec (litarelly better DPS than half the DPS in my guild). My feral set was just good enough to tank while a healer Brezzed a real tank and even then it was a 50/50 sort of thing. I ditched my melee DPS set and now I’m trying to fgure out if I really even need to carry around my tank set anymore.
Well, yesterday I participated in my first 25 man Raid…a PUG…at Black Temple.
Talk about herding cats. Just getting everyone to meet up and get to the same room was an epic quest in and of itself. Should have gotten an achievement for that alone. Our first attempt on Illidian (sp?) ended in a wipe because most of us were first timers and as we took on the twin fire thingies, nobody told us how “hot” (read: damaging) that fire was…I died like in 3.4 seconds…the others died a little bit quicker. Raid leader then tells us to “stay away from the fire”, so the next time I switched over to my pally’s fire resist aura and managed to keep our distance from the flames the next time around to take out the twins and Illidian himself. Although Black Temple is a 70-ish elite quest, I found it quite fun except for sifting through the raid chat looking for some intelligible pointers on a successful run, but I guess we managed. Didn’t win any rolls for loot, but I guess it was about the achievement and getting my feet wet on the 25 man raid hub-bub.
It was somewhat enjoyable, but I’d rather be doing 10mans with our guild when the time comes…
Gratz to All.
Yeah, well, I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt and assuming it is because she does not use clique (which most healers will tell you is a pretty important add-on to use in conjunction with Grid (or some other raid frame add-on). Its not like she is undergeared or doesn’t understand her class (then again I am wondering why she does so much DPS).
Congrats, Boss!
Is she a big PvPer who has kind of gotten shoehorned into raiding? Sounds like she might be spending more time nuking than healing and thinks that her damage is more valuable.
Grats Boss and Yeti!
I didn’t do much this weekend except a few daily heroics and the tournament dailies. Oh, and I joined a 10-man VoA raid. It was interesting because I hadn’t done VoA in months, not since Emalon was added, so I wasn’t sure how it would go and I had no clue about the new boss. But it was all really a piece of cake and I got a couple of shiny new PvP gear upgrades, which is nice.
My strategy of farming the Black Tabby pet during the week hasn’t paid off much. I got three cats, and after giving one to my main I put one on the AH and one on the neutral AH but after a week and a half neither one has sold yet 
I don’t want to call her out by name. She is a loyal guildie and frequently goes the extra mile for the guild and we are a better guild for having her. I suspect that a lot has to do with her aversion to clique and her tendency to stick DPS into her rotation whenever she has free cycles.
Her disc spec is a typical 57/14 I have had other disc priests look at it and its not off the reservation.
Her glyphs are:
Power word: shield
Renew
Penance
Shadowfiend
Fortitude
Levitate
She is very well and appropriately geared.
I just want some way to objectively measure her performance so I can show her how much better it gets with clique and if she removes DPS entirely from her repertoire (although it does help a bit on things like Icehowl (stun phase), it really screws us up when she tries to help DPS when the tank is still taking damage (e.g. twins during shield, sure you want to get that shield down but you really don’t want to lose a tank and that is when you are most likely to lose the tank on the non-shielded mob).
1.) Assign a ranged DPS to the harpoons.
2.) They trigger any harpoons as soon as they’re ready, **except **for the last one.
3.) They call out when the last one is ready, and the RL calls out when to trigger it. It should never be triggered when one of the big Vrykul is up, and preferably should be triggered when there’s a small number of adds (or none).
Hunter should know enough to Feign Death, and just letting the Rogue die is a good teacher. 
Back when I actually did this on normal mode, this was actually my favorite boss to tank. We use the four-point strategy. Using the band in the middle as the horizontal divider, you take him through four quadrants (I go clockwise, starting in the lower right). All of the ranged stand in the middle of the band.
3 | 4
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* Ranged here
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2 | 1
Where 1 and 2 are close to the entrance and 3 and 4 are close to the door, with water to your right and left. You move between quadrants when he lays the fire down on the ground; otherwise, if he charges someone to throw them in the pot, just let him come back to you. Generally speaking, you face in toward the center (either the band in the middle or the imaginary vertical divider) while Ignis faces out toward the room or the water.
Nowadays, though, we just face him into the water and zerg him while one (on 10-man) or two (on 25-man) offtanks hold all the adds.
I never killed IC until the Alg/GotR run on Saturday. They’re a huge pain in the ass.
Woohoo, grats! I’m starting to feel like such a slacker for only having one max-level toon after more than two years of playing…
The pet market is a tricksy one. It’s all about getting the pet up at the right time to get seen by a collector.
DA: Wait, this healer is **DPSing **while she’s supposed to be healing? Kick her ass to the curb if she doesn’t realize how completely fucking retarded that is in a raid that you don’t have on farm.
Naaah. Your interest in the game clearly lies after 80, so you’ve got a lot to show in that area. Besides, clearly you like Sleutel enough to stick with her after two years of playing, which is impressive to me. I have a tendency to grow utterly disinterested with a character after a while and jump to another, which means I rarely get to accomplish much in a game.
No she hates pvp with a passion. In fact she gripes about doing VOA every time we go there because it is in a pvp zone and many of the drops are pvp gear. She similarly hated TOC because of faction champions and tried to avoid it at all costs. I don’t think she disrupts her healing rotation to nuke but I do think she tries to stick some dps on the boss when she has a free cycle. I know that when I am healing HTOC, it is all I can do to respond to things like fires under my feet never mind trying to stick some dots on the boss whenever I have a free cycle (I usually just stick a hot on a healer or something if I get a free cycle).
Lets be honest, unless you are running a hard core guild, almost anyone can carry their weight and play their class in a raid. I just think that a healer that uses hotkeys instead of clique is unnecessarily handicapping themselves and I want a way to get some hard numbers to prove it to her before our new disc priest proves it to our entire guild.
Bosstone, I guess that makes sense. 
DA, it sounds like what would be most helpful for you would be to put together a parse from World of Logs or another log site. I don’t have much occasion to look at healing meters, but I’m reasonably sure that they’ll include absorbed damage. Again, please PM me if you need help setting that up.
SFG: Regarding Razorscale, I think the problem was that one of the tanks probably had an easier time of making the when-to-fire decision, and we were unsure about the timing. The second or so attempt, our most experienced Ulduar raider (playing his boomkin at the time, but also tanks) made the call.
I have the addon BigBrother running so I get automatic reports when someone misdirects, polymorphs, shackles, whatever. I saw the rogue would start off with Tricks of the Trade but I have yet to find a guildie hunter who Misdirects with any regularity.
Ignis: yeah, that was pretty much my strat. It just seems like I’m barely doing anything since most of the time he seems to be grabbing people for the Hot Pocket treatment or throwing fire around, and the rest of the time I’m moving him to the next square. He’s so frustrating!
DA: I agree with SFG. It sounds like something is very wrong with her play style, and that’s hard to tell without more data. I will note that being a tank healer is probably the easier role to do without Clique/Healbot/whatever - just target your tank and press the buttons, if you’re really lazy/focused. As a tank healing priest I will toss around Renews on anyone who’s hurt and do emergency heals as needed, but of course the tank is my priority. My DPS tends to be teeny-tiny (DoTs on bosses) unless it’s an easy run and I’m bored.
You don’t have to PVP to get in the habit of nuking as a healer. If you’re at all a decent healer then, unless you have one of the PUGs from hell, you wind up bored in most of the 5-man instances. They’re just way undertuned. My priest has healed her way through quite a few heroics using nothing but prayer of mending and renew, which are both fire-and-forget hands-off spells. You need something to do with your spare time and mana, and that translates into killinating things.
Even in raids the same scenarios can occur, especially if you’re doing old content, have a competent or overgeared group, aren’t doing hard modes when you should be, or brought too many healers. PUGs are frequently guilty of several of those factors at once. I’m reminded of an old guildie priest who, bored of an easy healing job, decided to try an experiment one day and cast nothing during a Molten Core raid but SWP and Smite. This was in the days before damage meters; he claimed nobody noticed for almost the entire raid, until someone finally pegged that Holy healing spells are supposed to have the upwards casting animation rather than forwards 
Grats! I just about choked when I opened my egg yesterday and saw “Proto-drake Whelp”. I thought for a split second that I’d gotten the mount, but then realized no, it’s just a pet. Cute little bugger, though So now I’ve gotten that pet as well as the Cobra Hatchling pet (twice - AH for the other one, cuz yay, it was BoE). Aside from the pets, all I’ve gotten is yolks from the eggs.
My current “standard” rotation (now at lvl 52) goes:
Charge -> Rend -> Mortal Strike -> Demoralizing Shout -> Sunder Armor and then either Execute or Slam as a finishing move. Because of the rage cost, I’ve recently been using Slam more often than Execute, saving Execute for those situations where I’ve picked up an add and I need the first mob to go down now.
Here’s Castariora’s Armory page.
I did two, count 'em, two annoying escort quests with this toon yesterday: escorting that easily-distracted young elf girl in Feralas back to her giant friend, and, just for the heck of it, escorting that turtle, Tooga, all the way from one side of Tanaris to the other. That second one was a royal PITA. How does a turtle get “lost” and end up clear on the opposite side of a desert, anyway? I suspect he was actually drunk.
I think I need a big flashing sign to remind me that my draenei mage can teleport. I keep forgetting. She was in Theramore and needed to go to Ironforge to hit the AH and such. So she hopped the boat to Menethil and was just about to take the FP to IF when I slapped my forehead and remembered, “Oh yeah, Teleport!”. So I teleported her from Menethil to IF, finished her business there … and then flew/boated back to Theramore :smack:
On the plus side, she’s level 40 now and has her SW/IF/Exo portals. Maybe she can start making money selling portals.
Let’s see… Oh yeah, my 80 pally is now Exalted with Sons of Hodir. I bought the Exalted shoulder enchant for the Revered shoulders I’d already purchased, and the Glacial Bag pattern, though I still need one more skill point in Tailoring before I can learn the pattern (my Tailoring is currently 444/450). Though getting that point is going to be a pain. My only current orange patterns are those insanely expensive purple robes, and even the one or two yellow patterns I know are still very expensive. Frostweave Bag is still green, so I’ve been making those and sending them to my alts, but those haven’t generated any points for me lately. I’m holding off on buying either of the SoH mammoths (well, can’t afford the big one anyway and I’ll probably skip it in any case simply due to my giant mammoth aversion) because right now I’m still spending money trying to level Enchanting.
Well yeah, I have no problem with priestly DPS when you’re so booooooored with nothing to do, and your mana is flowing out of your ears since you aren’t doing anything else with it. But this priest is doing well on the DPS charts during a ToC10 that they can’t finish as tank death is occurring repeatedly, when a raid-healer dealt with it fine previously. :dubious:
Why is the healer reluctant to use add-ons? Is it a person reason or a hardware reason?
I use almost no add-ons because I play on a 12 year old computer and while it can handle WoW putting add-on’s in the mix seriously lags me. One I can usually handle, maybe two, but some of the big resource-consuming ones I just can’t do (Gatherer and Auctioneer render things unplayable for me, for example). Yes, that does impair my ability to raid but there’s nothing I can do about it. I make do as best I can, my guild is aware of the problem, and frankly I manage to live with it and still enjoy the game. I’m the hot-key queen because I have no alternative.
On the other hand, my guild also requires certain add-ons in order to be on the raid team. If you don’t have them you don’t raid. (The guild also researches which add-ons are least resource-intensive to help out those of us with old/feeble computers). If she needs an add-on to keep up with the team, well, either she can/does use it or she doesn’t go on the raid.
Those last 7-8 Tailoring points are a PITA, and I had to do them without the Glacial Bag recipe. I made a lot of those Moonshroud gloves, so of which I sold on the AH and some of which became Abyss Shards (which at least saved me some money in Enchanting).