Right, I’m talking Gearscore. My wow-heroes score is… i don’t know, around 2800? I haven’t checked in a while.
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I’m a pretty hardcore raider too, but I’ve always been kind of embarrassed to ask this question because I don’t want to look like a noob: I’ve seen a lot of people running this Bartender addon, and they all swear by it. But I’m confused about a couple of things (I really don’t want to bork with my UI too much until I’m pretty sure I’m going to like the results):
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The game itself lets you have six bars, and display two of them above your main bar, two to the right side of the screen, and one that you have to click the bottom bar to get to. Does Bartender let you have more bars than that, or are you still limited to 6? Does BT just give you more flexibility about where to put them?
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It’s hard to tell from looking at your screenshot, but can you still assign keybindings to the bars that aren’t the standard 1-0 bar? I’ve got pretty much everything keybound that I want to use in combat–only stuff that’s done out of combat (like buffs, food, etc.) are clicked. I definitely don’t want to move away from that.
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What are the advantages of BT? Is it just making your screen less “busy”?
Thanks a lot for the info. I’m tempted to try it but just don’t want to mess myself up. Once I get something memorized I’m resistant to changing it. 
More adventures on BQL last night. I swear, it’s so frustrating–we’ll always almost have it at the end of the remaining attempts, then next week it feels like we start back from square one, with people making the same mistakes we’d ironed out last time. It doesn’t help that the timers have been tweaked again, so we’ve had to re-arrange our strategy yet again for when people are biting to avoid having a bite come just as she fears. Our best attempt got her down to 11%, and we’re consistently getting her into the teens, but too many people are dying and the DPS of the people who were online last night just wasn’t high enough. Sigh. At least we have, oh, probably somewhere between 10 and 15 attempts left.
Mining is creeping up to 400! At this rate, I might be on to JC before the weekend is over.
I wouldn’t even undercut by percent–just knock a few copper or silver off (or, for very high-priced auctions, a couple of gold). Assuming you’re around the market rate, or demand for the item is high, they’ll buy the lowest-priced item, regardless of how much lower it is than the next-highest. So don’t cheat yourself (and everyone else) out of that extra income.
Two sites that will be your best friends:
Wowhead: Big honkin’ reference database for all items, quests, NPCs, factions, dungeons, raids, zones, etc. currently in the game. If there’s an item you’ve never seen at auction, you can look it up here and see its average buyout price (across all servers, so YMMV quite a bit, but it’s better info than nothing).
WoWWiki: Like Wikipedia, but for WoW. Contains some of the same information as Wowhead, but the database-y stuff isn’t always as easy to navigate. Where Wowhead really shines is with lore, guides, strategies, etc.
Some addons accept donations, but none are allowed to charge for download or use. If you download from a reputable source (as linked above), there is no risk of getting infected files.
Recommending a UI-modification addon to a newer player gives me a bit of pause. The default UI bars are perfectly adequate, and UI addons tend to be the ones that break most catastrophically on a new patch.
What kind of problems are you having with it? If you have everyone (a) bubble up with anything they’ve got (e.g., a Mage should put up Frost Ward and Mana Shield, plus Ice Barrier if they’re Frost), (b) not hit anything unless they’re the tank until they get to a stopping place, and (c) not heal anyone but themselves unless the person is about to die until they get to a stopping place, you shoudn’t have any problems taking the tunnel in two chunks.
Warriors are getting a Devastate change, too–20% bonus to total damage, versus 20% bonus to weapon damage. No word yet as to when that’s rolling out, though, AFAIK.
IME, it works best to just ignore the ghoul. DPS shouldn’t touch it; the tank should pick it up, then just slap enough threat on it to keep it from peeling off onto the healer. There’s no need to waste any attention on it, because it will blow up on its own if it’s still alive when the Black Knight dies at the end of ph1. (People just need to be ready to run out of range of that explosion.)
Again, IME, kiting has always been more trouble than it’s worth. A lot of people in PUGs have no concept of how to do a moving fight (i.e., staying ahead of the tank, stoping to cast their spells/heals/etc., then moving again ahead of where the tank is headed). These days, it works best to just stay put.
I always get Azjol-Nerub or An’Kahet. 
And I *want *the Oc!
BTW, since you chose mining, be aware: ore is often more valuable than bars, because (a) jewelcrafters can use it to prospect for gems and (b) miners who are rapidly levelling up their mining skill will buy ore and smelt it so they don’t have to spend as much time running about. Silver ore, in particular, is crazy expensive on most AH’s, and it might be worth it to just auction it unsmelted.
It was really only a couple times; I got to the middle, spun around to face the pack, and fell over dead. Maybe if I blow my trinkies and my unbreakable armor while I run that will make the difference and let the healer catch up. Plus, you know, 3000 extra health from upgrading trinkets. (Plus more extra health from the upcoming patch, yay.)
Previously, I had been using Army of the Dead to get to the center area, but I’d really like to have that available for the final boss so I can use it as a"we win" button once we get him down to 30% life or so.
Eh, don’t be. The majority of them are under lvl 30, and most of those are no higher than lvl 22-23. Only a handful of my toons have been played with any kind of consistency:
Eilyssana, lvl 80 human paladin (my “main”, on Lightbringer)
Keliraeda, lvl 76 blood elf paladin (currently my “main” toon on Cairne in Burning Dog Legion)
Castariora, lvl 65 draenei warrior, on Lightbringer
Svelexi, lvl 55 draenei mage, on Lightbringer
Chimtahna, lvl 50 tauren hunter (the first toon I rolled on Cairne to play with the Burning Dog Legion, but at some point I got bored with him and now he functions as Keliraeda’s bank alt)
Jabloo, lvl 43 troll hunter on Zangarmarsh
I have 2 DKs, one on Lightbringer (lvl 60) and one on Cairne (lvl 59). You can see by their levels that I really have hardly played them at all since finishing the DK starting quests.
Then I have a lvl 32 draenei shaman and a lvl 30 orc warrior. After that, it’s all low-20s and below. All of my toons lvl 32 and below are mostly “abandoned” or “on hold”. Several of these are rogues, druids, priests, and warlocks, the classes (along with DKs) that I’ve discovered I just really don’t enjoy playing.
I take it the GearScore addon produces vastly inflated scores compared to other sources? I have two sources for my lvl 80 pally’s “gear score”; Wow-Heroes gives her a score of 2040, and my WowHead profile gives a score of 2207. I should install GearScore to see what it says.
I built my 80 pally’s gold supply up to a bit over 14k yesterday, so I dropped 3600g at the AH to upgrade her boots to the crafted Battlelord’s Plate Boots. Those replace the Death-Inured Sabatons she’d purchased with Ebon Blade rep.
It’s not “inflated”–it’s just calculated differently. But the GearScore number will always be higher than the WoW-Heroes gearscore. On my main right now, I think I’m sitting at just a couple points under 3k on W-H, but 5500-something on GS. It’s just important to specify which you’re talking about–e.g., 3k is a great score for W-H, but a very low one for GS.
It lets you configure 10 bars, although depending on your class you may need some of them for bar paging, Warrior stances and Druid shapeshifts will all occupy one bar each, but those bars are hidden by default.
You can bind things any way you want to, and you get to do by mousing over a slot and pushing the key(combination) you want to bind it to.
More bars in less screen space, what’s not to like?
It also adds a stealth bar for Druids and a Shadowform bar for Priests, and probably a lot more stuff I’ve forgotten.
Ok, I’ve been reading this thread for a while, and finally starting to understand a bit more of it. Thought I’d finally jump in…
My stepson has been playing WOW for 3+ years. When I first met his mom 1.5 yrs ago, it was all he talked about. He worked on me until right before this past Xmas to get me to start playing. Finally, he gave me the original WOW as my Xmas present to get me started.
I have 1 toon so far - a lvl 54 Pally.
Not in a guild…wondering how to find a good one. I was “in” a guild as a noobie, but that was because I agreed to join one of those “join our guild” spammers that hang out around the starting zones…didn’t know what I was doing. I dropped from that guild shortly thereafter.
My stepson just introduced me last night into Battlefields…was my first time and got some nice XP, but really don’t understand too much what I was doing.
I do seem to be doing pretty good as far as money goes, at least from what my stepson tells me…but maybe he’s remembering the old days when he started. Just passed 1000 g in the bank…so I know I’m ready for my flying mount when the time comes, from what I’ve read.
BTW, I’m on the server “Velen”…
I didn’t even know there was another gear score out there until I read these recent posts. I just assumed everyone was using the WoW-Heroes gearscore because that’s where I first saw it.
My WoW-Heroes gearscore is 2259. No idea what it might be under GearScore. Guess that’s still too low for Reflection then.
Sounds like it’s just the standard bars repositioned then. Everyone has six quickbars (the 1 through = action bar that’s enabled by default) that they can scroll through, the bottom left action bar, the bottom right action bar, and the two action bars along the right-hand side of the screen. Bartender doesn’t give you any extra bars, per se–it just lets you have all of them visible at once, and put them wherever you’d like to have them on your screen.
Yay, welcome! As far as understanding things goes–don’t ever be afraid to ask for clarification! Speaking personally, I love getting the opportunity to explain things in further detail that would normally get glossed over. I’ve got a brain crammed full of this crap, now, so actually getting to use it is a bonus. 
This is kind of a tricksy one… It’s kind of like thinking back on how you met your friends–it just kind of happens. My first guild I joined because it was the one my boyfriend at the time had been in, and almost everything since has grown out of that.
Generally, beware of anyone who spams advertisements in chat. Something to be cautious about–but not necessarily avoid–is guilds that don’t require any kind of interview or application to join. It’s nice that you can just come on in, but that means that anyone else can, too–including people you might not want to play with.
1.) Check your realm forum. The official World of Warcraft forums have a separate forum for each realm. These will often contain guild advertisements–often for raiding guilds, but sometimes for leveling, casual, or social ones. If you don’t see something you like, you can even make your own advertisement and see who responds.
2.) Advertise in the LFGuild channel (does that still exist?) and maybe in Trade chat, too.
3.) If you use the random LFG tool (and I hope you do!), pay attention to the people you’re grouping with. If it’s someone from your server, look at their playstyle and their attitude. Is it someone you’d like to run with again? If so, send them a whisper and tell them you’re looking for a guild!
Nobody does, really, not at first. Battlegrounds can be a lot of fun, especially now that they grant XP. It’s probably a good idea to check out the WoWWiki entry on each one before you go in–some of them can have some odd objectives or mechanics, so having a general idea of where to go and what to do to help your faction win can be helpful. Or, you can just wade in and start smashing enemy faces (or healing friendly ones).
Yup, 1k gold will more than pay for your first flyer and the training. You’re getting pretty close, too!
If you ever want to play with folks from the SDMB, there’s a board guild on Cairne, Horde-side, called <Burning Dog Legion>. Pop on anytime and type /**who burning dog legion **and you’ll probably turn up a few people you can whisper for an invitation.
Well, can’t expect an addon to actually create bars that weren’t in the game to begin with, all ten bars probably exist in the default UI, it just won’t give you direct access to them.
Hm, I just disabled Bartender to see how the default bars actually work, I was never able to have more than a total of six, the four extra you can enable plus two with paging on the main bar, with Bartender I can have all ten up at once.
Would you believe I got 10 gold for 20 small eggs? I was somewhat gratified.
Have downloaded auctionlite from curse. Followed instructions and un zipped into the Wow location. However when it says to choose my character, but before entering realm choose manage addons in bottomleft, I can’t as there is no button for that. Any ideas?
Yes, I would, I expect you would have gotten even more if it had been December since they’re needed for the cookies you give to Greatfather Winter.
Is the Auctionlite folder in your \World of Warcraft\Interface\Addons -folder?
If it isn’t then that’s your problem.
Right–I was just doing the mental math to see if it actually added extra bars, or if it just made all of your bars simultaneously (and thus more conveniently) accessible.
Where, exactly, did you unzip it? The path should be World of Warcraft → Interfact → Addons. You also have to restart the game for it to be visible–if you were in the game when you unzipped the addon, you wouldn’t see it yet.
One And Only, I highly recommend downloading and using the Curse installer for add-ons - it takes all of the guess work and unzipping work out, and makes it way more plug and play.
Grats on your auction! Believe it or not, playing the Auction House is kinda fun to me - almost like a mini-game. After logging off of my main character for the evening, I always jump on my AH character and spend some time listing items and searching for things that are way under priced that I can snag up and relist. There are some folks that consider that to be “unfair”, since I didn’t do anything but buy and the resell (no working/farming for the items), but hey, I didn’t make the other person list it at below reasonable selling rates, so I consider it fair game. You have to be careful not to get burned tho - using WoWhead to get an idea of an average selling price is a good way to keep from buying up a bunch of stuff that you can’t resell later.
Rik, I’m as bad with Altitis. Right now, I am leveling two characters on Cairne, Woeg (my BDL main) and Myndee (my first healer character). I have another Woeg, this one a tank, on Wyrmrest Accord, that I created to run with people I met and really liked whilst running a random. I also have my main on Moon Guard, but to be honest, I hardly ever log in to him anymore. Then there are the various and sundry “what would it be like to play X” characters that I have…so I’m probably close to 30 characters myself!
Play the game long enough, and I think just about anybody is. Let’s see… Not counting my bankers, mules, and farmers, I have:
80 Night Elf Warrior
80 Undead Mage
60-ish Blood Elf Death Knight
50-ish Night Elf Priest
Mid-40s Troll Hunter
40-ish Human Warlock
30-ish Draenei Priest
30-ish Draenei Hunter
Mid-20s Night Elf Druid
19 Blood Elf Mage (twink)
19 Draenei Shaman (twink)
16-ish Night Elf Rogue
13-ish Draenei Shaman
13-ish Blood Elf Paladin
In bold are the ones I currently play fairly regularly; in italics are the ones I almost never play anymore (at least for their intended purposes–the Belf Mage is currently my Horde-side AH mule for that server).
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Wowinterface.com. Sometimes one or the other will have a more recent version of the addon, so it can be worthwhile to check version #s on both if your addon is borking. Otherwise, it’s fine to just stick with one.
Security: It’s pretty close to impossible to get malware from a WoW addon as they are all written in .lua which is a scripting language specific to the game and won’t do anything outside the game as far as I’m aware. Do **not **run an addon that offers an .exe for installation purposes, as those are generally not kosher and might have malware hidden in the .exe.
That said, I recommend using FireFox, Adblock, and NoScript to block ads for internet life in general. Those are generally where malware slips through when people say “I went to Curse (or other site) and got a virus/keylogger!”. Unscrupulous people will send out ads that have a hidden virus payload and when that loads on your computer, they’re home free and it looks like the site was the one to blame.
Installation: The location where things get installed will vary depending on if you’re on XP, or Vista/7.
Sexy. I’m an addon whore myself so I know what you mean. I can identify most of those, but what’re you using for the castbar/dungeon cooldown? Also, the dashboard at the bottom.
I need to take a shot of my current UI and post it. 
Even my favorite tank doesn’t care about CC so we just burn them down with FF but it’s harder than it has to be. 
- 10 bars plus the assorted XP/rep/vehicle bars. And yes, you can put them where ever you want them to, and say “bar 1 showing is conditional on if I’m in/out of combat or in party/raid”, for example. Or “bar 5 only shows if I mouseover it.” I lurves this. You can also say “I want bar 1 to be 3 rows tall and 2 buttons deep” (six buttons) instead of the standard “1 row tall and 12 buttons long” (twelve buttons) if you want to be strict and make sure there’s no empty buttons showing.
Also, Bartender’s keybinding system is MUCH MUCH better than Blizz’s. Basically, you set up your bars the way you want them to, then hit the Bartender keybinding button to go into keybind mode. Hover your mouse over the button you want to kb, hit Esc to clear any old keybinds, then press the keybinding you want to use for that button. Hit OK to close the keybinding mode. You can have multiple keybinds to a single button this way.
The benefit is much more powerful keybind management and a cleaner UI with the key bits you want to see showing where and when you want to see them.
I heard choirs of angels when I got this figured out. <3 It’s also very stable and I never have had to go back to default UI after a patch in the year plus I’ve been playing with Bartender. (A similar alternative though is Dominos, but I’ve never played with that one so I couldn’t tell you how leetsauce it is)
Yeah, it’s like how you get to find friends – check out people you like and see if they’re in a guild and can invite you. Chances are that people you like will also be in a good guild.
As for BGs, nobody knows what they’re doing the first few times in there. I was in WSG with a friend, and I got the flag. Cue :eek: as I realized that I was running back to our base with NFI where to go. Frantic whispering to my friend “HALP WHAR DO I GO” while streaking straight downfield – fortunately we got it sorted and I successfully capped.
For information about the various BGs, hit up wowwiki. Each BG (warsong gulch, alterac valley, etc) has its own scenario and strategies, so it’s worthwhile to do a read through to get the idea.
Something that helps me a lot in BGs: hit Shift-M to bring up a small version of your map. It shows the bases and where your side is at, 's very nice for seeing where you should/shouldn’t be going.
Done and done. Thanks. I feel rich with my 14 gold!
Another site to check is wowecon.com, which is a better way than wowhead to get an idea of your server/faction specific economy IMO. wowhead shows the average price over time across all servers, I believe, so it might show that an item is going for 5g when on my server it’s going for astronomical prices, for example.