Welp, heavy DPS doesn’t necessarily mean that people know how to move out of the fire, or that your tanks/healers are up to it.
The way I see it, $15 is a night at the movies (especially if you factor in gas/bus/cab fare), or probably even less than you’d spend to go out to dinner with a friend (especially if you’re treating).
So… going Shadow, then?
I probably drive people nuts doing that, too, when I’m gathering mats for dailies or xmutes. Sorry. (Not really sorry. :D)
From making craftables and/or from selling cloth for lower per-item profits but at a higher volume. Really, you should have seen this coming: Blizzard almost always eventually removed the cooldowns from recipes.
It’s not “bars” of an ore you mine. It’s the new “item that drops off of bosses in the highest tier of content that you need to craft the best recipes.” It just happens to have a similar name to a metal–that doesn’t mean it is one. It’s the same thing as Frozen Orbs/Runed Orbs/Crusader Orbs. They just didn’t call them orbs this time around. (See also: things like Primal Nether from TBC.)
No kidding. I started selling off my stock of Moonshroud for the same reason - the price has already started falling. It kind of ticks me off.
Preach it!
You should do that. The other thing that ticks me off is people selling 50 Infinite dusts one at a time. Who buys one dust? When I need dust, I buy at least 20, which means I have to sit there and do 20 buyouts on the AH, then go to the mailbox and open 20 pieces of mail, and click on twenty different items to get one stack of dust. Come on! Can’t you at least sell them in stacks of five? Would that kill you?
It’s pretty clear that Blizz doesn’t really care if all professions have the same money-making potential. Tailoring gives you those bad-ass carpets so what more do you want?
Yes, they are. Titansteel bars will also be off the cooldown. This is the equivalent of the special cloth for cloth armor. For leather/mail it is Arctic Fur, which they already reduced the price of by making it tradeable for Heavy Borean Leather.
The expensive part for the high-level tier is always the Orbs anyways (which is the role the Primordial Saronite is playing in this patch). Those will remain expensive until they can be bought for heroic tokens (not anytime soon I would think) since they only drop in 25-man (and maybe 10-man heroic) ICC or in exchange for 23 EoF. As someone really wanting to get the mail boots made this is a pain, but since the current crafted stuff is basically BiS I understand why it is expensive.
The general idea is that the previous tier’s gear should be cheap and easy to get. Currently the Crusader Orbs are (just run heroics for a bit) but some of the other mats (titansteel and the special cloth in particular) are not. Hence the change.
Blizz obviously also thinks that Frost Lotus (and hence flasks) and the Eternal Elements are also overpriced since they will soon be tradeable for one Frozen Orb (which drop like candy and everyone is swimming in).
The least you could do is fly to the other end of the area and start your AoE-ing over there! I even do that as a one-mob-at-a-time ret pally - if I see somebody already working the mobs at this end, I go start at the other end so we’re not trying to race each other.
No real way to see it coming - I haven’t had any high-level crafters before now, since I’ve only been playing a bit over a year. I only have the one lvl 80; my lvl 78 and my lvl 71 both have two gathering professions (herbing/skinning and mining/skinning, respectively). And speaking of Herbalism, it is not turning out to be the big profit source I was led to believe.
Aha, so that’s how they handwave it! It’s a floor wax, and a dessert topping!
I’m keeping my Moonshroud, since my only “epic” pattern calls for it.
I finally caved and spent the 25 dollars necessary to transfer my level 80 alliance character from Thrall to Cairne. I did this because I discovered that in order to fly in NR, you either have to hit 77 for cold weather flying OR have an 80 character on your account on the realm send you a BOA book to teach it to you at 68. Needless to say, impatience won out, and now my 70 Horde druid has NR flight.
Also managed to finally acquire enough runecloth to send my silvermoon city rep into exalted territory—making it the last of the 5 cities to ding exalted. I’m now an Ambassador for the Horde. Yay!
Sadly, about 2 hours later, my brand new (literally less than 3 weeks old) SSD decided to poop out on me–and of course, since I had just built the computer, I hadn’t backed anything up yet. So bye bye Windows partition. Now I have to reinstall everything on a different hard drive (which I fortunately had lying around)…and all I want to do is play WoW. And of course, I didn’t have it installed on my laptop cause I went ahead and upgraded win7 from the RC to a separate legitimate copy of the OS.
Similar to what Rik said, it’s not really all that much money compared to other forms of entertainment. Even if you only played for 4 hours a week, that’s the equivalent entertainment time of going to see two movies, and for one person that’s $15 every week.
Nice! Did you do a faction change or are you still Alliance? I didn’t know you could trade BoA items between factions even on the same server.
Is your druid in the Burning Dog Legion? I can’t keep everyone’s SDMB username straight with their toons and alts in game, so forgive me for not immediately recognizing you.
As I understand it, now jewelcrafters can’t make money because they sell the epic gems for honor, enchanters can’t make money because of the disenchant option in the dungeon finder, tailors and miners can’t make money because they got rid of the cooldowns, herbalists and alchs can’t make money because they’re making frost lotuses easier to come by, and leatherworkers/skinners can’t make money because Arctic Fur got nerfed.
Inscription isn’t a money-maker since people respec so infrequently, especially after the introduction of dual-spec.
Tradeskills are money sinks for the game. I have a 445 leatherworker, 450 jewelcrafter, 450 enchanter, 450 tailor, 450 alchemist, 450 engineer, and 450 inscriptionist. I’m very poor.
1.) Apparently this is something that gold-making guides teach people to do.
2.) I refuse to buy anything from anyone who posts large amounts of things one at a time that should be in larger stacks, just on principle, and I always send them a mail to tell them they lost a sale, too. If enough of us start boycotting their stupidity, maybe they’ll stop doing it.
3.) I highly recommend an addon called **Postal **(which I think someone here told me about). Among other things, it puts an “Open All” button at the bottom of your mail window, which you can customize to open, among other things, various kinds of AH-related mail. So while you’d have to buy each dust one at a time, you could at least open them all with one click.
They’ve also upped the drop rate on Frost Lotus (right after I switched to JC, of course, sigh).
What are you collecting and selling? Try to target flask and commonly-used endgame potion ingredients: Frost Lotus, Icethorn, Lichbloom, etc.
Don’t forget–if you don’t want to move the high-level character, you can roll an alt, quickly level it to 10, and then just move the alt with whatever items you want to transfer. (You can delete the alt once you’ve pulled everything off it at the destination realm.) That’s how I got heirloom items and a bunch of other goodies to my Horde alt on ET when my Alliance main was on another server.
Grats on Ambassador and on the compy.
IMO, the price break isn’t worth it. At best, you can save, what, $36/year, but you give up the flexibility of being able to suspend your account at any time. (Your characters will never be deleted, even if you haven’t played for years–you can re-up anytime and pick up where you left off.) AFAIK, anyway–I suppose it’s *possible *that Blizz would let you suspend an account with time credits still left on it. But then you’d still be out that money if you decided to never come back.
Yeah, they implemented it a few patches ago. Nothing solid about whether they’ll ever enable cross-*realm *mail for heirloom items, but allegedly they’re looking into it.
It’s always the same QQ. Blizzard understands their own economy pretty well–they won’t do anything game-breaking, and if something has a worse effect than they’d intended, they’re pretty good about rolling things back (and I don’t recall any time they’ve had to do that for a profession change that dealt with the economy). All profs are not equal, at least in the sense of being 100% identical, but they all have some good combination of money-making ability and prof-exclusive bonuses.
Ok, that’s my new objective…ICC trash runs. Gear Score is over 5100, shouldn’t be too much of a problem, right? Now if I can only remember how to get my Trade Channel back up…I got rid of it so long ago!
Yup, your gear should be more than good enough for rep runs. As for getting back into the channel, try /join Trade. (Also, do you know how to create new, customized chat tabs? IMO, that’s a better idea than just getting rid of global channels you don’t look at a lot. For example, I tend to add three tabs: one for important but potentially spammy info like rep, XP, item/money loots, etc; one filtered to things like gchat, raid/party/BG chat, and whispers, and one that cuts out even gchat for when I’m in a raid/dungeon/BG and really need to focus–that one puts /yell back in.)
Let me know if you get in one of those that needs a healer. I haven’t had much luck (or time, really) to do ICC lately. I’ve only done up through Saurfang, once.
Well, I was bored last night after doing all my dailies on my 80 pally, so I thought I’d scoot back down to Outland and find some quests to work on toward Loremaster of Outland. I was closest to finishing Nagrand Slam (already had the HP and Zang achievements), so I found myself at the Ring of Blood and did the “gladiator” quests there. That earned me Of Blood and Anguish, since I teamed up with my friend to do the Amphitheater of Anguish quests in Zul’Drak a couple weeks ago. That left me at 74/75 Nagrand quests, so I checked around and came across the Kurenai Prisoner in that sacked village in the western part of the zone, and did his escort quest to earn Nagrand Slam. Then it was off to Terokkar, where I did several quests including escorting that bird, Skywing, which rewarded me with the Miniwing pet, which earned me Shop Smart, Shop Pet … Smart!
And of course, while questing in Outland on my 80 I can quickly pick up a ton of netherweave to send to my lvl 63 tailor mage.
I have picked up a handful of Frost Lotus, though I’m waiting until I have a full stack of them to sell. But I’m resigning myself to perhaps having to wait until lvl 80 before Herbalism becomes profitable. Remember my little haiku, “The Herbalist’s Lament” from many months ago:
Murloc blue and green
Always guarding stranglekelp
Go away, murloc
Same problem with the herbs you listed: they’re almost always growing right in the middle of a crowd of lvl 80 mobs and it’s a real pain in the neck at lvl 78 having to fight my way through them just to pick a flower. Sure, I can handle one or two, maybe three of them at a time, but at this point that just takes too freakin’ long on the effort/payoff scale.
I would sell them now if I were you (depending on your server prices that is). Also potentially a good time to unload your Frozen Orbs (since on many servers there has been a silly run-up in prices on them - from <10g to 40g or so). Although if you also have alchemy be sure to figure whether the Lotus or a flask will be more profitable.
This all goes back to that new Frozen Orb trader that will soon allow you to convert one Orb to one Frost Lotus or Eternal Fire/Water/Air/Life/Shadow. In theory this means there are a number of good arbitrage opportunities available, since after the patch all of these items should have roughly the same price. Of course you have to figure out what that price will be… Somewhere between the pre-runup frozen orb price (7-10g) and the current Frost Lotus price (30-50g) seems likely.
I actually kinda wish Blizz had gone the whole way and let you also trade in any of those items for a Frozen Orb. This would have absolutely normalized the price between all of these items.
Disclaimer: This post relates to rep-grinding. Feel free to skip if it bores you.
So I’ve had getting Exalted with the Cenarion Expedition on my “To Do Before Cataclysm” list for a few months now, since IMO you can’t be a respectable Druid without the Guardian of Cenarius title, and I have no idea what changes Cataclysm will bring to the titles and achievements of classic and BC.
Problem is, I’ve already done all the CE quests, and I’m only at about 8000/21000 through Revered. At this point, I have two primary solo-grinding options: collect Nesingwary Lackey Ears in Borean Tundra, and run Steamvault non-Heroic. The Coilfang Reservoir Heroics are an option, but they’re very difficult even for a level 80 tank spec.
For the hell of it, I decided to run a short experiment to compare the two methods. The ears only give 150 rep per 15, but they drop decently fast (especially from the Minions of Kaw, who are tightly packed and respawn near-instantly) and it’s a pretty safe grind. Steamvault has the advantage of not being nearly as boring, but it’s tougher and more of a pain in the ass.
Minions of Kaw
Presuming you don’t stop killing, ever, you can earn about 200-225 ears/hour. This is about 2000-2250 rep/hour, and the various silver and vendor trash they drop add up to roughly 60 gold/hour. (I’m not counting the BOE greens that drop, since their worth can vary depending on if you vendor or auction them).
Regular Steamvault
When I ran this just now, it took about 50 minutes to get through it. It’s more dangerous than the Minions, but bear spec is l33t; I was able to take on 2-3 spawns at once without dying (though it was a near thing). A full clear gets you about ~1600 rep and about 51 gold per run (again, not counting BOEs). …But wait, there’s more! Enemies in Steamvault drop Coilfang Armaments, worth 75 rep each, and I got 20 Armaments in one run for an additional 1500 rep. All told that’s 3100 rep/run or 3700 rep/hour. :eek:
Of course, farming the ears does let you take breaks more easily to sell and repair, and anyone can do it at 80, whereas you really need a tank spec or at least a high-end DPS spec to solo Steamvault, as well as a lot of bag space. But the efficiency of running even non-Heroic Steamvault is surprising, plus you get a hell of a lot more BOE greens and thus a lot more gold out of it.
Yeah. Not being boring == huge advantage. On Muz I killed minions of Kaw with various weapons & barehanded until I got my knuckle sandwich and 4 weapons to 400 achievements (whatever that one is) then switched to running steam vault. I remember being able to do it a bit faster than 50 minutes per run, but then Muz is a DK hence playing in easy mode.
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on the compy.