World of Warcraft General Discussion

[Shot_From_Guns]

@winterhawk11

but being a noob tank scares me because people in random pugs can be pretty nasty if you screw up

Speaking personally, I have a lot more patience for new tanks (healers, DPS, whatever) who *up-front tell the group *that they’re new to their role (or new to the role for that class). Also, don’t be afraid to mark targets for DPS to focus on until you get more comfortable with your AOE abilities. If you give them a target to concentrate on and they peel something else, you have a definite thing to yell at them for.

@Daedelus

Sometimes WoW gets weird like that. There are many times where I will log off, and the last message in my chat box as I’m logging is “You are not in a guild,” despite being in one.

Yeah, that was going to be my question. Did the person get a “You are not in a guild” message (bug), or did they actually see no guild name over their head, the guild tab grayed out, their guild tabard blank, etc.?

@Ferret_Herder

Even when running heroics with guildies I get them peeling off adds because /assist is uncool, and I’m madly spamming glyphed Maul + Swipe + Mangle to proc the debuff + glyphed Growl, not to mention Demo Roar when it’s not on cooldown.

1.) Is Growl your taunt? If so, you probably don’t want to spam it, if that’s something you’re doing (a little hard to tell from the way you phrased it). A taunt doesn’t generally create threat in and of itself; what it does is set your threat equal to the person at the top of that mob’s list and force it to attack you. That means that if you’re #1 on the list, all it does it put your taunt on CD where you can’t use it a second later when someone actually *does *pull.

2.) If Demo Roar is anything like Demo Shout, it’s a useful debuff but doesn’t create much threat. You can squeeze it in when you’re ahead on threat and you’ve got nothing better to do with your Rage, but you probably don’t want to use it to try to keep aggro.

@Daedelus

Honestly, I’d just let those who pull off of you die, 'cause a few repair bills might get them to play smarter.

I’ve never had this fail to work. The moron always (a) shapes up or (b) ships out, and DPS are trivially easy to replace.

@Mister_Rik

I rarely need to hearth twice to Dal in less than 30 minutes, so that shouldn’t be an issue. I suppose I could set my hearth to SW - that would drop me right next to the bank and AH, and I’d no longer have to take the portal that puts me in the Mage District. And it would save me having to travel to Dal in order to get to SW - I could hearth from anywhere.

To me, it seems a little odd to put your hearth in SW instead of Dal. If it’s in SW, that’s the only place you can go. But if it’s in Dal, you can just run five feet to the portal to SW… or to IF, or Darn, or the Exo, or Shatt, or anywhere in Northrend. Sure, a SW hearth would put you in the Trade district instead of the Magic one, but that’s, what, an extra 15 seconds of riding? YMMV, as always; I just know I’d do it differently.

[Bosstone]

@Shot_From_Guns

1.) Is Growl your taunt? If so, you probably don’t want to spam it, if that’s something you’re doing (a little hard to tell from the way you phrased it). A taunt doesn’t generally create threat in and of itself; what it does is set your threat equal to the person at the top of that mob’s list and force it to attack you. That means that if you’re #1 on the list, all it does it put your taunt on CD where you can’t use it a second later when someone actually *does *pull.

I think the implication there is that people are pulling off her so often that she’s constantly needing to use Growl.

[Shot_From_Guns]

Oh, and I forgot to respond to the other: Yes, as others have mentioned, if you’re standing in something in a raid and you don’t know what it is, move out ASAP. If it were something good, you’d have been explicitly told about it; it’s almost certainly something that will damage you, and it has a nonzero chance of instantly killing you if you don’t move out in time. Let’s look at bosses up to Ulduar…

Bad Things on the Ground
Faerlina: Rain of Fire = move out
Grob: plague clouds = move out
Construct quarter = channels of green goo = move out
Heigan = green goo shooting into the air = move out
Four Horsemen = voids = move out
KT = voids = move out
Sarth = voids + walls of lava = move out
Razorscale = blue fire on the ground = move out
Ignis = patches of molten ground = move out
XT = voids on hard mode = move out
Assembly of Iron = runes = move out of the wrong ones
Auriyayayaya = voids = move out
Thorim = charged lines = move out
Freya = seed bombs = move out
Mimi = fire and frost bombs on HM = move out
Hodir = runes = move out
Vez = puddles = move out… maybe
Yogg = clouds = don’t ever be in
Algalon = meteors = move out

Good Things on the Ground
Maly = sparks = stand in
Assembly of Iron = runes = stand in the right ones
Hodir = pillars of light = stand in
Vez = puddles = stand in… maybe
Yogg = pillars of green light = stand in

[Infovore]

@Shot_From_Guns

Bad Things on the Ground

Good Things on the Ground

Pants on the Ground
Lookin’ like a fool!

(sorry, couldn’t resist!)

BTW, I finally got around to trying Bartender4 at lunchtime today, on my non-raiding alt. That thing is sexy! I can see it will take me a bit to get used to it, but…yeah. I think that will be in my future for my raiders, too!

[Mister_Rik]

@Bosstone

Short version: if you’re told there’s void zones or fire in a particular fight, watch your feet. If something pops up you don’t recognize, get away.

Strangely, when I heard “void zone”, I imagined something black and motionless, not something bright purple and swirly

@Skammer

I kept my hearth in Dalarn after I got the ring - I find it’s pretty useful, especially since my hearth is set to the inn right by the city portals. And, I don’t do dailies very regularly. If I were doing the Argent dailies all the time, or say the Oracle dailies, I’d probably set my stone closer to them.

Well, I have the Argent Tournament tabard that gives me a teleport to the Tournament Grounds.

@Shot_From_Guns

To me, it seems a little odd to put your hearth in SW instead of Dal. If it’s in SW, that’s the only place you can go. But if it’s in Dal, you can just run five feet to the portal to SW… or to IF, or Darn, or the Exo, or Shatt, or anywhere in Northrend. Sure, a SW hearth would put you in the Trade district instead of the Magic one, but that’s, what, an extra 15 seconds of riding? YMMV, as always; I just know I’d do it differently.

My point was mainly that to use those portals from Dal, I still have to travel to Dal, which still means I need to burn my ring teleport or my current hearth, or else fly there, which takes even longer than running from the Mage Quarter to the Trade Quarter. With my hearth set in SW, I can get there from anywhere, cutting out the “middleman” as it were. Plus, anything I can do to avoid the lag of Dalaran is a bonus
ETA: BTW, anybody else drooling over the new, official World of Warcraft Wireless Headset?

[jayjay]

Did part of ToC25 tonight with my guild. I was SOOOO lost! We got up to Icehowl (and multi-wiped…we were having serious problems with getting out of the way of his charge and he kept enraging instead of stunning) when I had to leave due to a family issue. It was fun, but damn…I hate going all the way back to the beginning every time…

[martu]

On a good night I can expect maybe two hree achievements but last night I was on a roll not only all this (the mace is very sweet indeed):

[ul]
[li]Earned the achievement Did Somebody Order a Knuckle Sandwich? for 10 points.[/li][li]Earned the achievement Master of Arms for 25 points.[/li][li]Earned the achievement 10 Dalaran Cooking Awards for 20 points.[/li][li]Earned the achievement 1000 Honorable Kills for 40 points.[/li][li]Obtained [War Mace of Unrequited Love]. (Equipped)[/li][li]1 Keristrasza kills (Heroic Nexus).[/li][li]Completed step [Heroic: Keristrasza] of achievement [Champion of the Frozen Wastes].[/li][li]Earned the achievement Heroic: The Nexus for 10 points.[/li][/ul]

but I also picked up enough Shards to buy the heirloom shoulders for my Warlock. Perhaps my best night ever.

[Ferret_Herder]

@Bosstone

I think the implication there is that people are pulling off her so often that she’s constantly needing to use Growl.

Not constantly but sometimes it feels like it’s part of my rotation, yeah. Not to mention having to turn my fat bear ass around and target the one mob - over the crowd around me - who’s trying to eat the face of the hunter/mage.

[martu]

In the Patch 3.3.3 notes there is the following:

[ul]
[li]Battlegrounds will no longer award Marks of Honor.[/li][/ul]

How do you convert Marks of Honor into plain old Honor?

Thanks

[Mekhazzio]

The Warbringer or…Brigadier General? … that had the old daily BG quests and one for a mark from each battleground now has a vendor tab that lets you dump any of your remaining marks into honor tokens.

[martu]

@Mekhazzio

The Warbringer or…Brigadier General? … that had the old daily BG quests and one for a mark from each battleground now has a vendor tab that lets you dump any of your remaining marks into honor tokens.

Thank you.

[Skammer]

Burning Dog Legion dungeon run tonight: Escape from Durnholde. Nobody has signed up yet except me!

If you’re planning to run with us tonight:
– you must be at least 66, which is the minimum to get the quest that unlocks the Caverns of Time
– please do the quest ahead of time if you can. You get it from the dragonkin at the entrance to the CoT in Tanaris. The quest just involves taking a tour of the cavern, so it’s simple but it takes several minutes to complete.

We are getting new furniture today which involved me taking down my computer station last night and will require me to set it up again tonight after work, so there is a small but non-zero chance I may not make it, if some catastrophe occurs.

Martu, grats on all the achievements!

Jayjay, to avoid the Icehowl charges I was in a raid in which the person targetted for the charge would mark their position on the mini-map, so you could see exactly where they were in relation to you and you would know what direction to run in. Made it a whole lot easier to avoid.

[Tom_Scud]

Not sure I’m making the alt run tonight; I’m meeting our old landlord at the old apartment after work to give him the keys and argue about holes in the walls.

[jayjay]

@Skammer

Jayjay, to avoid the Icehowl charges I was in a raid in which the person targetted for the charge would mark their position on the mini-map, so you could see exactly where they were in relation to you and you would know what direction to run in. Made it a whole lot easier to avoid.

It was mostly new and non-raiders in our (big and incredibly diverse re: playstyle/raidervscasual/etc.) guild. We had a couple of vets who were trying to walk us through the mechanics on vent but most of us were too involved in trying to remember everything we had to remember to think about remembering to mark the minimap!

(Hell, I had no intention of raiding at all last night until our GL whispered me while I was killing Venture Co. loggers in Windshear (for loremaster). And then I tried to talk her out of inviting me because I had no gear, no knowledge, and lots of discomfort over my noobie raiding status. I imagine it was similar for a lot of the raid.)

[Shot_From_Guns]

Woooooo Prot Warrior changes! They aren’t huge buffs, but they’re definitely useful, important, and overdue. I’m sitting at just a few HP under 46k (or 45k? I forget) unbuffed now, too, which is a completely insane number. Now I just have to work on remembering to get Revenge back into my rotation.

@Mister_Rik

Strangely, when I heard “void zone”, I imagined something black and motionless, not something bright purple and swirly

A lot of void zones *are *just black circles on the ground. But some of them, at least in Wrath, also have spinny things that come up around you, that make them easier to see. In WoW “void zone” is pretty much just a general term for “circle on the floor that you really, really don’t want to be standing in.”

@jayjay

We got up to Icehowl (and multi-wiped…we were having serious problems with getting out of the way of his charge and he kept enraging instead of stunning)

Here’s my method for not getting stunned:

1.) When a slam is coming up,* look behind you to make sure you’re not about to get knocked into an area you can’t easily strafe out of: e.g., a doorway or next to a pillar. If you’re by one, move to an open area of wall before the slam.

2.) As soon as you’re knocked back and stunned, make sure your camera is facing Icehowl and hold down your right mouse button.

3.) As soon as he focuses on someone, he’ll spin to face them. While you’re still stunned, hold down the strafe button in the opposite direction from where they are relative to you. (By default, Q strafes left and E strafes right. Personally, I have mine rebound to A and D, respectively.)

4.) Voila! As soon as the stun wears off, you’ll be zipping straight away from any trouble. Be sure to keep that right mouse button held down while you strafe–it will adjust your run angle as you turn the camera.

*You should have a timer for this on your bossmod; if you don’t have a bossmod, get one. I personally recommend Deus Vox Encounters, aka DXE.

@Ferret_Herder

Not to mention having to turn my fat bear ass around and target the one mob - over the crowd around me - who’s trying to eat the face of the hunter/mage.

Are you running up to packs and staying on that side of them? I.e., is your setup generally (with angle brackets indicating orientation):

Ranged/healer> You> <Mobs <Melee

If so, you may want to reconsider that. I generally run through the pack, so that it usually looks like:

Ranged/healer > Melee > Mobs> <Me

That way:

1.) I’m the furthest ahead. No melee has to run past the pack to get behind the mobs. If anybody body pulls an add, it will be me.

2.) I’m facing everybody friendly. If an add breaks off, it stays in front of me.

@Mekhazzio

The Warbringer or…Brigadier General? … that had the old daily BG quests and one for a mark from each battleground now has a vendor tab that lets you dump any of your remaining marks into honor tokens.

Pain in the ass caveat (not that you have a choice): As of last night, the items that you exchange your old BG tokens for are unique with a maximum count of 10. Yes, that’s right. You have to buy ten, redeem them, buy ten more, redeem them, and so on, ad nauseam. And other than the “turn in one of everything” option, there’s no other way to convert the old tokens–no higher-denomination reward tokens, e.g., for larger numbers of BG tokens. :smack: Great thinking there, Blizz.

@Skammer

Jayjay, to avoid the Icehowl charges I was in a raid in which the person targetted for the charge would mark their position on the mini-map, so you could see exactly where they were in relation to you and you would know what direction to run in.

Do people really have a hard time telling which way Icehowl is going to charge? As soon as he picks a target, he flips around and stares straight at them. IMO, it’s much easier to just look where he’s facing and run away from there, than to look up at your minimap, figure out where the ping is relative to your dot, and then figure out which way you need to move to get away from the ping.

[Skammer]

@Shot_From_Guns

Do people really have a hard time telling which way Icehowl is going to charge? As soon as he picks a target, he flips around and stares straight at them. IMO, it’s much easier to just look where he’s facing and run away from there, than to look up at your minimap, figure out where the ping is relative to your dot, and then figure out which way you need to move to get away from the ping.

Well I doubt all people have that problem, but I do - mostly if the targeted player is near me and I can tell if Icehowl is looking just to my right or my left.

I haven’t had a problem in a while, but the first couple of times I fought him I died because I panicked and ran the wrong way.

[jayjay]

@Shot_From_Guns

*You should have a timer for this on your bossmod; if you don’t have a bossmod, get one. I personally recommend Deus Vox Encounters, aka DXE.

Our guild requirement is DBM. Since this was the first and only time I’ve ever even been in a raid (other than battlegrounds), and I only went and downloaded DBM and vent after I got invited last night, I was a little confused about what all the announcements were for. I’m sure I wasn’t the only one, since last night’s ToC raid had a LOT of first-time raiders in it.*

Do people really have a hard time telling which way Icehowl is going to charge? As soon as he picks a target, he flips around and stares straight at them. IMO, it’s much easier to just look where he’s facing and run away from there, than to look up at your minimap, figure out where the ping is relative to your dot, and then figure out which way you need to move to get away from the ping.

Again, a lot of us were first-timers (on raids, period, not just on ToC). Except for a handful of raid leaders who were veterans of this particular fight, we were all pretty much dazed and confused. I forgot about the stun on Slam every time it happened, thinking (in a panic) WHY CAN’T I RUN?! I NEED TO RUN?!

It was a completely unexpected happening for me, anyway…like I said, I was killing Venture Co. loggers in Windshear when the GL invited me out of the blue.

*And that’s without mentioning the first worm fight when I was standing RIGHT where Acidmaw first comes out of the ground. I was dead before I even realized he was emerging.

[Bosstone]

@Skammer

Burning Dog Legion dungeon run tonight: Escape from Durnholde. Nobody has signed up yet except me!

If you’re planning to run with us tonight:
– you must be at least 66, which is the minimum to get the quest that unlocks the Caverns of Time
– please do the quest ahead of time if you can. You get it from the dragonkin at the entrance to the CoT in Tanaris. The quest just involves taking a tour of the cavern, so it’s simple but it takes several minutes to complete.

Dang, that sounds like fun. I’ve yet to run any Cavern of Time instance other than Culling of Stratholme. I’ve been slacking on my mage, though, and he’s still 64. I probably won’t have time tonight to gain 2 levels and do the intro quest for CoT unless today winds up being a really short day at work.

[Mister_Rik]

@martu

In the Patch 3.3.3 notes there is the following:

[ul]
[li]Battlegrounds will no longer award Marks of Honor.[/li][/ul]

How do you convert Marks of Honor into plain old Honor?

Thanks

@Mekhazzio

The Warbringer or…Brigadier General? … that had the old daily BG quests and one for a mark from each battleground now has a vendor tab that lets you dump any of your remaining marks into honor tokens.

@Shot_From_Guns

Pain in the ass caveat (not that you have a choice): As of last night, the items that you exchange your old BG tokens for are unique with a maximum count of 10. Yes, that’s right. You have to buy ten, redeem them, buy ten more, redeem them, and so on, ad nauseam. And other than the “turn in one of everything” option, there’s no other way to convert the old tokens–no higher-denomination reward tokens, e.g., for larger numbers of BG tokens. :smack: Great thinking there, Blizz.

And also, some asshat at Blizzard thought it would be a good idea to make your toon do a /train emote every time you redeem a token. So there was this cluster of people around the Brigadier General in SW, and it sounded like somebody had dropped a Train Set :mad:

I said, “That’s really annoying.” and another guy there moaned, “And I have 99 Marks of Honor to turn in!” :mad::mad:

Hit Mute Button

[Shot_From_Guns]

@Skammer

I haven’t had a problem in a while, but the first couple of times I fought him I died because I panicked and ran the wrong way.

Ah yes, panic–the great raid-killer. I know freaking out is one of my biggest problems, too. I have to work very hard, especially on a new fight, to take deep breaths and try not to make knee-jerk reactions that cause a wipe.

@jayjay

Our guild requirement is DBM.

Ugh, you literally require specifically DBM? That’s one of the things I hated about my last guild. Don’t get me wrong, I think DBM’s a very good bossmod–I just like DXE better. It’s got some extra features I really like, plus it’s waaaaaaaay more customizable. (Also, historically speaking, the timers have been more accurate on DXE. That’s why I switched to it when my guild was on TotGC.)

@Mister_Rik

And also, some asshat at Blizzard thought it would be a good idea to make your toon do a /train emote every time you redeem a token.

There’s a gong noise, too, and a flash of light. I’m not sure that the emote noise actually comes through every time, but the arm-pumping gesture definitely does. On the plus side, it makes it easy to find the guy to talk to…