World of Warcraft General Discussion

Yeah the first few wipes were because I was just using taunt and heroic throw and it would make a beeline for the healers after a while. I’ve heard that when the big ooze is spawned it takes a few seconds before it starts doing damage so right off I hit it with a shield slam then hit thunderclap as I’m running away and save heroic throw until two or three little oozes have merged. I forget how many it takes before the big ooze explodes.

I’ve noticed that I can let the ooze get close enough for a thunderclap or a shockwave without hitting me, so I try to do that when threat from the healers is getting a little high. Occasionally I’ll get hit but I’m usually right at the edge of it’s attack range so I just back off again and it’s not a problem. If you have a rogue or hunter in your raid I guess you could have them tricks/MD the ooze for a bit of threat while dropping off little oozes. We only have a rogue and I’ve never gotten tricks so I’m not sure how well it would do. Plus this is 10 man, I doubt it’s different in 25, but there you go.

BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HAH!

Phear my 1337 quest-completing skillz!

:smiley:

Grats! I just finished both my classic Loremasters tonight. On to Outlands tomorrow (1 or 2 in each zone), and then I’ve got 2 and a half zones left in Northrend to go through on this toon (last half of Zul’drak, all of Storm Peaks and Sholazar – got all the Icecrown group quests out of the way already, so it should be smooth sailing to Loremaster). Hopefully, I’ll be fairly close to seeker by the time that’s done and won’t have to go back and look for too many.

I’ve actually managed to get to 3000 before completing Loremaster of Kalimdor, or Blade’s Edge (64/86) and Netherstorm (1/120) in Outland. Finished Eastern Kingdoms and Northrend a while back.

So … maybe somebody can explain what happened when my mage got Azjol-Nerub as her first random heroic yesterday. Well, I know what happened — two wipes and three total deaths for me on the Watchers before Krik’thir the Gatewatcher — but I’d like to figure out why. I’ve done that instance several times on my paladin and this was the second attempt on my mage, and I was seeing things I’d never seen before.

Basic problem from my perspective: I seemed to be the most appetizing target for the Watchers and their buddies. I don’t know if this was because the tank(s) sucked or not, because I spent most of the time dead.

I zoned into the instance, went through the whole “everybody buff” routine, and off we went. We burned through the trash in the tunnel on our way to Krik’thir with no problems. We got to Krik’thir’s chamber, and I sat down to drink so that I’d be at full mana before starting the fight. Except the tank pulled the first Watcher right when I sat down. Okay, fine, I’ll just continue drinking until I’m full and give the tank plenty of time to establish threat. So by the time I finished drinking and started casting, the tank had had a good 10+ seconds to establish threat. Then my Flamestrike went off under the trio of spiders … and they immediately abandoned the tank and ran over and flattened me, killing me pretty much instantly - the healer didn’t even have time to react.

Now, I don’t know if that was just complete tank fail or not, because while I lay there as a corpse (forgetting for a moment that once the first group is pulled, the other groups follow automatically, so there would likely be no rez forthcoming), I watched both the tank and the healer getting repeatedly webbed into immobility - something I don’t recall ever seeing before on that fight. But it’s possible that the tank had gotten webbed (I couldn’t see her) right before my spell went off.

Anyway, I released and ran back, entered the instance, sat down to eat and drink, and then started back down the tunnel. I didn’t make it even halfway down the tunnel, because a lone spider (one of the Watchers’ sidekicks) came racing up the tunnel at warp-speed, killed me again, and ran back down. Basically, the rest of the group had wiped by that time and I was the only target left. Also, the rest of the group reported that the tank quit in the middle of it. I assume she got pissed at being repeatedly webbed up.

So we got a new tank and tried again. And again, as soon as my first spell went off the spiders abandoned the tank to run over and slaughter me. This time the group wiped before I could even release - more webs on the tank and healer.

The new tank quit, then the healer quit, leaving just the three DPS. We discussed amongst ourselves and decided to say “screw it”.

Man, what is the deal with me and Friday night random heroics? Honestly, though, this didn’t feel like incompetence - it felt like the fight was glitching. Everybody in the group outgeared* me — I was the only one with a GS under 4k, and the first tank’s GS was more than 1k higher than mine — so I was completely baffled as to how I kept pulling threat off the tank with a single spell that didn’t even crit. Like I said, I’d done that fight once before on my mage with no issues.

I went on to do ToC and VH without any problems.

  • I know there are limits to the importance of GearScore, but as DPS I’ve gotten in the habit of at least checking the tank’s GS to see if I over- or under-gear him, mainly because if I outgear the tank I know to be more careful with my DPS so that I (hopefully) don’t pull threat off him. Though at least on my paladin, pulling threat off the tank doesn’t mean instant death.

What probably happened is that the tank was simply wailing on one mob. In fact, he may have wanted you to keep drinking and hadn’t expected you back so soon or something. As for the tank vamoosing, it may have been embarassment. Many, many players are extremely impatient with anything short of perfect tanking by guys with huge gearscores who churn through instances like Frostmourne through butter.

I also have a question about my positioning relative to the healer during fights. As a mage, I naturally stand back away from the melee, which means I’m usually near the healer. But I’ve discovered a problem with that positioning which I’d like to avoid in the future: if I somehow pull threat and the mobs come after me, and I Iceblock to save myself … the healer suddenly becomes the most appealing target for the mobs. And then I feel guilty when the healer gets smooshed.

So I’m trying to figure out how far away from the healer I can safely get, where I’m still in LOS and range of the heals, but far enough away that the healer isn’t the next target in line if I go down or Iceblock.

Well, the obvious answer is: Don’t Pull Aggro.

That said, I’m a bit puzzled. According to WoWwiki, the enemy is supposed to ignore invincible players and go for the next highest on the threat list. That should be the tank, unless you’re attacking enemies the tank hasn’t touched yet and it latches onto the healer via proximity aggro. If the enemy is frozen in place, that’s when it will attack the nearest target it can, ie the healer.

If Iceblock really is causing that much trouble for you, don’t use it; instead, when you pull aggro, stop attacking (you’ll just keep increasing your threat if you do) and lead the enemy back to the tank so they can attack it and re-establish aggro.

As far as how far you should stand from the healer, honestly I’d say no more than 10 yards, excepting fights where you need to spread out. Most healers have short-range AOE heals, and it’s really useful when all the melee and all the ranged are clumped together, since everyone can benefit from the AOE. I can’t decide whether having the ranged DPS slightly in front of the healer is better than vice versa, but that’s usually a good setup, because in close quarters you can quickly group healer+ranged or ranged+melee together in AOE heals.

What mobs were hitting you Mister Rik? Because if they were the Skirmishers, those mobs drop aggro and go after random targets after some time, so should always be the first target killed. If there was more than that mob beating on you, then it would have to be the tank not holding aggro. Not sure if you were assisting off the tank or not, but that usually helps as well (though a good tank will be switching targets regularly). Otherwise, just the RNG of the RFD.

You don’t say :smiley: Unfortunately, not much I can do when it’s the very first spell that does it.

Not causing that much trouble - it’s only happened once (in CoS, not AN). I’m just trying to think ahead to avoid it happening again. The one time it did happen, I’m pretty sure the tank went down first and that’s why the mobs came after me. When I Iceblocked, the healer was simply the next target of opportunity.

Are the Skirmishers the ones that flank the named Watchers? It was one of those that ran all the way up the tunnel to kill me again after the first time I died. But when I was pulling aggro off the tank, I’m fairly certain that the Watcher came after me as well - there were at least two on me and one was clearly bigger than the other. As far as assisting off the tank … not specifically. At this point I’m usually just giving the tank a few seconds to establish threat and then dropping Flamestrikes and Blizzards on the crowd. I save my targeted spells for bosses and other single-target situations, though I’ll often cast Flamestrike first on a boss just for its DOT.

Because of mage’s burst damage, I’ve had that problem too. What I do is establish a baseline of threat (not much) with my wand and then make sure the tank has a bunch of room to withstand my new threat. It seemed to have kept me under except in cases of picking up fight mechanics (where some mob will throw something at the 2nd highest threat or farthest away, or random other)

Sigh Another guild question…

I seem to be getting some guildies who are running alts, and already have a bunch of experience levelling. They all say they’ll help, but no one ever does. What am I to make of this?

On another topic:

I have skinning as one of my skills. Do I need to hang on to the leather I loot or just sell it? Been putting it into the vault, but apparently no one needs it.

And just as an aside: Wolkie’s the only warrior in my guild. Unusual?

Thanks

Q

Time to change guilds. Ours looks for more mature players primarily because we WILL help one another instead of making idle promises.

I do skinning as well. I just sell it because I’m not into tailoring.

It’s actually HIS guild, as in he founded it. And I have to admit that I’m one of the people who isn’t really doing much in it…I’m a little burnt out with WoW at the moment. I’m still playing, very occasionally, but not as often as I was.

:)That wasn’t the way I meant that, jayjay. :slight_smile:

I knew that jaejae, badlilsister and Henchi just rolled alts to get us going and train us a little regarding guilds and how they should be run and promotions and such.

I’m talking about folks I recruit who LOOK like they’re newbies, joining up and then say their other toon is an 80 whatever…

They offer to help us, but then don’t, and that’s not the way I see this guild as working…

Lord have mercy, y’all - we FINALLY made it to 72!

What’s it been now - a month or more?

I admit I don’t play as often or well as some of the rest of you, but I mean DAMN!:slight_smile:

I think I hit on what one of my problems is: See, I have good days and bad days, “brain-wise”. Sometimes I understand a quest and can get it done, but other times, it just seems too complicated and I shelve it.

Tonight for instance, was a good night for me, and I was able to get three of those heretofore “complicated” quests out of the way and levelled up.

Something else I’ve been noticing: When I finish up a quest, the quest giver will offer me one or two others, so I read what he says, accept it and then find out it’s a dungeon and not a quest.

Now, if IRC, y’all told me I can’t do a dungeon solo, right?

Well, if that’s the case, I’m running low on quests.

Thanks

Quasi

Good. I don’t feel as guilty then. :slight_smile:

If you’re running low on quests in one zone, there will be more in another. You’re almost done with Borean Tundra, I assume. You can either go across the continent to Howling Fjord, or you can start questing in Dragonblight, just east of Borean. Have you done the quests at the ziggurat in eastern Borean? You get them from a death knight in the building there, just north of the shore. You should be able to do all of them solo except the very last one, where you have to join the death knight at the top of the flying pyramid and kill some pretty powerful bad guys.

Incidentally, did you buy a new guild vault tab? It looks like there are two, but I can’t tell because I’m apparently not authorized to open it. :slight_smile:

Yes, I did buy a new tab and I THINK I fixed it so that you can access it, but when I highlighted “2” it blanked out “1”. Could you check it for me? Thanks.

Thanks also for the suggestions! I’ll follow up tomorrow.

Thanks

Q

I ran with holy\ret for the crit but switched recently to holy\prot and I have to say I don’t miss the crits. The big bonus in the prot tree is the Sacred Shield modifier from Divine Gaurdian which “increases the duration of your Sacred Shield by 100% and the amount absorbed by 20%” a huge upgrade, in heroics at least.

Some advice please on the Black Knight fight in ToC – when the ghouls start attacking the party what is the usual course of action? As the healer should I expect the dps to try and grab then off me? It’s a very tough heal as a Paladin even without the added problem of being hit in the face.

As a paladin, you have a number of options. If the tank and dps are good you shouldn’t have too many of the ghouls attacking you. If you do, you can Holy Wrath to stun them all for a short time while you run away. One or two of them hitting you is not a big deal, but you can also Hammer of Justice to stun or Turn Evil to fear. If all else fails, use your Divine Shield or Hand of Protection, and they will ignore you for the duration. In general just try to run away from them whenever you aren’t casting even if they aren’t targeting you.

I was using Holy Wrath and Hammer of Justice but not Hammer of Protection or Turn Evil, thanks. Erm not casting doesn’t seem to be possible for me yet.