World of Warcraft General Discussion

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1921

Thanks IW, et al.

It ocurrs to me that y’all might be thinking: “He wears his EOAD like a badge”, and I think y’all are right - I do, but howq else can I explain that although I “appear” normal, I’m not - to the point of being a dangere behind the wheel?

I miss the “me” I was ladt year, so bad.

I KNOW I have hammered this subject to death, but y’all and WoW are so very important to me (Christ! A year ago I would have pitted my self for this!:mad:), and I just preciate you bearing with me.

This whole thread is being saved, anbd I refer back to it often. I just don’tg understand the lingo, and that is why I also go to Wow Wiki! :slight_smile:

Thanks

Bill und der "Wolkie

1922

Hey Kingspades!

Sorry to be late with the answer, but I am in Alextrasca. Some people ha ve expressed surprise at that. Why?

Thanks

Q

1923

Probably because Alexstrasza-US is a normal PvE server and not an RP one, since you’ve expressed an interest in (and history of) roleplaying your character.

1924

Part of the problem may be that too many people who don’t have Alzheimer’s jokingly cite it as the reason they’re not good at something, so when somebody like you who really does have AD uses it as an explanation people don’t think you’re serious and they assume you’re just making a joke/excuse.

I can imagine somebody with mild Down Syndrome having the same problem trying to explain, in-game, that they’re “retarded”.

1925

I have never played a warrior so I am just going by what I see in game. Warriors seem to tank in 5 man instances, the 10 man raids and the 25 man raids.

If there is more than one warrior, they might be DPS but they they usually also serve as offtanks and they ALWAYS serve as speedbumps (i.e. they try to keep their threat in the higher range). If you have good healers they can switch their healing to the speedbump long enough for the dps to burn down the mob if not then hopefully you have a lot of speed bumps (I have a speedbump macro that does bearform, switches my gear, triggers all my cooldowns and triggers all my AOE taunts, it has prevented a couple of raid wipes but it usually just a bigger speedbump on the road to a raid wipe).

YMMV.

1926

I’m not sure we are disagreeing, are we? I am saying that people will expect you to tank as a warrior, that expectation will follow you around forever.

1927

You can get two specs these days.

And how many other warriors do you have (that you take along on raids regularly)? So your main tank is not the protection warrior?

Which classes have two tanking trees? Which ones have three tanking trees?

Maybe my worldview is colored by years of Everquest, which admittedly had much more defined class roles. It sounds like you guys know more about warriors than I do. I just can’t remember that last time my druid was asked to tank over a warrior (which is why I am DPS/healing specced instead of tanking/healing specced).

1928

Warriors who tank… tank in instances and raids. Warriors who DPS… DPS in instances in raids. Instances and raids are also tanked by Paladins, Druids, and Death Knights.

Non-tank plate DPS (Warriors, Paladins, and Death Knights) may try to help intercept anything that’s headed toward a more squishy player. A Rogue might dodge-tank something for a few seconds, or a ranged DPS player might try to kite it or have their pet tank it. Helping save a raid from a wipe doesn’t make you a tank, and having higher survivability because you wear plate as your DPS gear doesn’t make you a tank.

To sum up, yet again:
1.) Not all Warriors are tanks.
2.) Not all Warriors want to be tanks.
3.) Not all Warriors have the spec, gear, experience, or mentality to be tanks.
3.) It’s okay to be a Warrior and never tank.
4.) Anyone who claims that “most” Warriors are *primarily *tanks or that Warriors “must” tank, so your options are learn to tank or roll a straight-DPS class, is full of it, and has almost certainly never played a Warrior.

1929

And I’m saying anyone who expects anyone to fill a certain role because of their class, and *will not *take no for an answer, is wrong. The only class-based role assumptions that can be made are what people can’t do (e.g., a Warrior will never fill a healer slot, and a Priest will never tank).

Try Sarth+3D some time. That’s almost certainly got to be tanked by a DK or a Druid (the DKs have spell mitigation, while Druids can soak the damage). Before Ulduar gear, anyway–I don’t know how that would affect the fight.

The class tanking roles *used *to be much more defined, but Blizzard is doing a lot to try to even out the playing field. Warriors aren’t the default MTs anymore (and we also don’t suck against AOE packs anymore, either). Some classes’ mechanics will still work better on some fights than others, but in general, tanks of different classes with equivalent gear and skill on the part of the player will be equally effective.

And whether or not a certain class makes a better or worse tank still has no bearing on whether or not that class should be expected to fill that role when they have no desire to do so. Any tank who wants to be tanking is going to be better than a tank who doesn’t have the spec, doesn’t have the gear, does’t know the strategy, and doesn’t want to do it.

1930

Shot Form Guns, about the money?

1931

Well, I’m giving in and merging my account to a Battle.net account (Og help me), complete with an authenticator, and upgrading to and patching WOTLK.

:eek:

So now it’s chugging through the patches as I work here. I did back up my addons and WTF folder in zipfiles, just in case. I lurves my setup, I does, and would rather not spend more time doinking with it than necessary.

I just hope I still recognize myself when it’s all done. :wink:

1932

I think you nailed it, Mister Rik. I have lost track of the number of times I have been accused of trolling on the WoW Community Boards when I ask a question.

1933

My main is a druid and if I wanted to go on raids, I am exprected to be specced and geared to heal or to tank if I wanted to be DPS, there usually isn’t room for me (outside of PUGs where I can basically fill any role). Similarly, if a warrior wanted to be DPS, there just isn’t any room for them. So no you don’t HAVE TO do anything but if you don’t want to fill the role for which your class is best suited then you have to ask yourself if that class is best suited for you.

Never said they were, but they don’t get invited on a lot of raids if they are not ready willing and able to fill a tanking role, they just don’t do as much DPS as other classes and their comparative advantage, the thing they are best at is tanking.

Like I said, it leaves you wondering if you have actually picked the best class for you. Its kind of like a priest that doesn’t want to be a healer (wth do you pick up as your second spec?).

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4.) Anyone who claims that “most” Warriors are *primarily *tanks or that Warriors “must” tank, so your options are learn to tank or roll a straight-DPS class, is full of it, and has almost certainly never played a Warrior.
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Nobody HAS to do anything, you can do anything you want. I can roll a shaman and try to be a healer if but its not going to get me invite to a lot of raids. If you are a warrior that doesn’t want to tank then I bet you don’t get invited to a lot of raids.

1934

Of course they’re wrong to insist and not take no for an answer. They should just politely say, “oh we were looking for a tank” and move on.

Are warriors still the best tanks for single boss fights?

Of course thats true but like I said if you like DPS melee and you are a warrior, you have to ask youself why you aren’t a rogue or something.

1935

I just came out of some combat helping another warrior. We didn’t group, but just fought it out with some Black Rock Thrashers, Brutes and Mystics.

I feel more comfortable this way since there are no expectations and we just loot half and half and go on our way.

I may see that warrior again as I go deeper into my Champs quest, and maybe we’ll help each other out again, but that felt okay…

On another topic, the gold sellers are now asking for “help”, which causes a little more aggravation and wasted time…

And apparrently I am now the member of a guild known as “The Legends of Azeroth”. Don’t remember actually joining, but what’s new about that, right? :smiley:

My RT life is in a bit of upheaval right now, so I don’t have as much time to study up, on Wolkie’s talents as far as tanking, protecting and the like, but once I get settled (we’re packing for a move), I’ll be able to concentrate more on the game…

1936

Good example. I have a shadow priest. He’s not a healer. He’s not specced or geared for it, and I don’t have the money to get him a second spec. I like playing a shadow priest. I don’t particularly want to respec him holy, although I may change my mind when I hit level 80 (he’s at 72 now). Who knows?

Quasi is still 50+ levels away from end-game content. If he wants to play a DPS warrior, then he should bloody well play a DPS warrior.

1937

The same reason that ret paladins aren’t a rogue, or dps DKs aren’t rogues, or enhancement shamans aren’t rogues. Because these other wonderful classes with their DPS specs are put into the game for a reason. If Blizzard wanted only rogues as melee DPS, you’d readily know this because they’d be the only class capable of doing so admirably. As it stands, a geared, competent dps warrior can literally tear the shit out of a damage meter.

Same with rogues.

And enhancement shaman.

And dps DKs.

You seem to not understand that just because you think something has to be a certain way it doesn’t follow that it actually must be. My proof is anecdotal, but if your assertion held true, then 2/3 of warrior trees wouldn’t be for dps.

One wonders what you think a hybrid class actually is.

This is like saying that all priests should be healers thereby discounting the excellent raid utility and dps they can bring to a raid or group. Same with enhancement shamans. Now, your point might have some better merit if you were discussing overall utility versus sheer throughput, but you aren’t. You’re stuck in some kind of mentality that hasn’t held true since pre-BC, which is to say that warriors are the tanks and everyone else is merely trying to be like them.

No, warriors aren’t the single target tanks anymore as any competent, geared tank can just as effectively do the same job. Blizzard has, for a little under a year now, taken great pains to get this message out. Clearly, they must do better because some people have missed the message which they’ve gotten out through:

Chats on the forums with the VP of the company in charge of this;
Chats on the forums with the lead world designer overseeing this;
The tens of thousands of posts on the official forums and elsewhere discussing the “bring the player, not the class” philosophy they’ve been leaning towards for about a year now;
The tens of thousands of high-end, end-game raiding guilds who seem to get by just fine without having to have a protection warrior.

This is just a short list of anecdotal evidence to support this claim and reject any contrary claims. I’d imagine others on here could do better, but I think the point is rather patent now.

I too enjoy playing shadow, but because of my guild’s needs, I raid holy. I think some people have confused how things work in their guild based on what they have as being what must be the case. While it’s a sufficient condition, it is hardly a necessary one. For instance, as I said, we have but one protection warrior in the guild. He doesn’t raid that much; we ordinarily run with a death knight or paladin as MT and whichever isn’t MTing as the OT. There are, of course, other compositions which would fare equally well.

1938

Yep, if you want to beat things up as a warrior, or heal things as a paladin, the game certainly isn’t going to penalize you for either of those choices, even though that might not be the first thing that comes to people’s minds. Which, really, always struck me as a bit strange - the array of warrior class abilities are a lot more screaming berserker than they are armored clunker. People expecting them to be a pure tank is entirely an artifact from other MMOs.

That said, if you’re a class that CAN tank or heal, it would be in your favor to gain at least a passing familiarity with how to do it, especially if you like doing instances. Strapping on a shield and getting the tank job done yourself sure beats waiting around an hour trying to find someone else to do it. All it really costs you is having some backup gear for the role stashed away - all the sub-heroic instances are so easy you can easily do either tanking or healing on a different talent specialization than the one intended for it.

1939

Absolutely true. To generalize:

The more stuff you know how to do well, the more groups/dungeons/raids you’ll be invited to.

1940

I’d say it’s an artifact from Vanilla, when the developers held the view that anyone with healing spells should do nothing else, leaving Warriors the only viable tanks.