Worst commerical firearms of the last 50 years?

One thing I always enjoy reading about is terrible products but gun-focused websites tend to not really openly talk about terrible commerical guns barring some very obvious targets (like Hi-Point Firearms products). In fact if you search for articles called “Worst Guns of All Time” you’ll find dozens of different articles on websites but they all seem copy and pasted from each other (Lot of Chauchats, Gyrojets, and Nock guns and similar in those lists)

Now, I’m curious what are some non-military commercially mass-produced terrible small arms made in the last 50 years that aren’t terrible solely due to build quality (thus excluding all those crappy Saturday Night Specials which werent meant for long-term use). Guns that either had design defects or were just unpractical designs that somehow made it to market. Range toys like AR pistols or very specific marksman handguns I’d also exclude since being impractical was part of their design since they’re made just to shoot targets (unless of course they also failed at their sole job as well)

Perfect example of a bad gun I don’t se people talk often about is the Colt All-American 2000, Colts attempt at making a polymer semi-auto handgun to compete with Glock and win back market share from police departments, and which they staked the companies future on. Then it comes out and it’s got terrible accuracy, reliability problems (since it was meant to be a cops sidearm this was kind of a big deal) and most of all a completely terrible trigger that was too stiff, too long, and broke at 12 pounds of weight which killed off target shooting interest. The weapon was so terrible it was pulled from store shelves soon afterward.

I’ll grab the low hanging fruit.

Judge approves landmark Remington rifle settlement

7.5 million defective triggers that could allow a rifle to misfire is a textbook design defect.

Speaking of Big Green - Remington - The Model 522 “Viper.” I have nothing against polymer, but this thing was simply cruddy. Even the magazines fall apart.

Remington 597. NOT a worthy successor to the 522 - unless you like crappy magazines. Ruger can do a rotary magazine - why can’t Remington?

Colt M16 semi-auto “Reissue” - released at the 2017 SHOT Show. US$2500 for a rifle identical to other “M16” clones selling for $1000 less. Nothing wrong with the rifle per se, but the price? Fuggedaboutit.

While we’re picking on Remington: The nostalgia-laden R-51. Failed, recalled, failed again.

Dardic 1500. UGLY! Also useless, and weird.

Calico - Anything under that name. Those helical magazines… shudder. The Calico - The gun you load all week and shoot on Sunday.

USA Zip .22 - Holy God, where do I start…? I know - you have to put your finger in front of the muzzle to charge the pistol! :eek:

Jennings/Raven/Phoenix/Any of the “Circle of Fire” clones. Wow. Getting one ready to fire is like solving a Chinese puzzle box. And they’re made of junk metal. I’ve owned one for years - and have NEVER managed to be able to get it to firing condition whilst at the range.

Street Sweeper. So bad, it was restricted specifically by name. OK, the name is what got it restricted, but it DESERVED that fate.

While we’re at it… The Ladies Home Companion. That name… :eek: Un-fucking-believable.

Cobray “Terminator” :eek: Another bad name. Clunky, stupid, useless - and utterly pointless.

In fact, pretty much anything with the name “Cobray” on it. I actually own several of their derringers, and they are stone-axe crude. Robust, unbreakable, HEAVY, and crude, crude, crude. but sometines fun. :stuck_out_tongue:
I’ll leave some space for other folks now… :smiley:

Edit:
Side note: Hi-Points suck, but they do run, are remakably hard to kill. Kinda like the brick they resemble. :stuck_out_tongue:

Holy Stupidity Batman!
What idiot invented that?

I’d love to know - we could put him on display as a warning to others.

Although I do like shooting I’m not a gun nut with an encyclopedic knowledge of various guns. I can from experience say that the Smith & Wesson Sigma that was their Glock copy was a piece of shit. We had the .40 cal at work and I’ve never had a weapon with so many reliability problems just in normal range operations. Light hits, stove pipes, double feeds, broken springs. After a few years we went to Glocks. Smith had to change the design after a patent infringement lawsuit from Glock.

No doubt about it, the Sigma was a bad gun. The SDxVE (SD9VE, SD40VE) is better, by long chalk. Still has a crappy trigger though. On the plus side, it’s easy to fix, and not terribly costly ~ $40 (when I did it) will get you a decent trigger pull (~6#), and if you do a bit of polishing (NOT stock removal!) you can get the grit out of the trigger. I woudn’t suggeest you replace the actual trigger yourself, though - it requires a bit of fitting, and should be done by a gunsmith.

Yes, I own one. Why do yo ask? :stuck_out_tongue:

A different view at truthaboutguns.com If you’re careful, you don’t actually put your fingers in front of the muzzle. Really, really, really careful. The kind of careful you don’t have time for in an actual fight. Or when you’re drunk. Or you get distracted for a moment.

OK, it’s really fucking stupid. And awkward. And stupid.

Another oddity. This can mount under the barrel of an AR-15. Why?

Heh.

COP 357 four-shot derringer.
Heavy, painful, crappy trigger, and one shot less than a comparable weight revolver in the same caliber. Oh, and awkward to reload.

But hey! They’re kewl. And popular - sorta. OK, they’re expensive and rare. Which isn’t the same thing.

Just because they’re cheap and ugly, why pick on Hi-Point? I like my Hi-Point!
If I was gonna pick on a firearm it would have to be the Savage .22 cal lever action model 72 fun to shoot as long as you have a rod to push the spent round out with since the ejector was crap and easily worn down or just broken.

Desert Eagle.
It’s a fine piece of engineering. To exactly no purpose.

And, while we’re at it: The S&W 500 Magnum. NO ONE likes to shoot this - not even the big burlies and the long-time enthusiasts.

I’ll second that one.

Others I love to hate are:

Raven .25 ACP — even the poor deserved at least something the quality of a Sterling

The Ithaca lever action single shot .22

Later Universal Arms M1 Carbines once they went to the dual spring variants. I have one of the early Enforcer pistols and its a dream but I’ve personally seen three of the “newer” ones come apart with US factory loads.
http://maxicon.com/guns/universal_m1/universal_m1_carbine_production.htm

Because. You got mounting rails, we gonna make stuff to mount on them rails and you’re gonna mount it. Nevermind if it’s any use or makes any sense or people are looking at your weapon and wondering, what does all *that *do?

Speaking of lever action single shots, I had one in 12 gauge from Sears. Not only that, it was a lever action, single shot, break action shotgun. The lever just unlocked the action and you tipped the barrel down like an ordinary single shot shotgun. It was very lightweight and a real bear to shoot with field loads, I loaded down for it. But man, was it fast on point!

The worst gun I ever tried was a Rexio revolver. I went to dry fire it in single action - cocked the hammer, then squeezed the trigger. I was expecting the typical revolver trigger, no movement of the trigger, just increase the pressure until the sear breaks.

Instead, the trigger kept moving back, the hammer pulled back with it, then halfway through the pull the hammer began slowly moving forward, then finally dropped the rest of the way.

Dennis

I’ll agree that the more desirable Universals are the ones that use GI parts, but the late models have gotten an undeserved rep. I have one that my father bought from Woolworths in the late 1960s. He paid $85 for it. I have it now and I’ve run thousands of rounds through it and the only issue I’ve ever had was a few fail to feeds. The magazine was at fault, not the rifle.

Just so long as it’s Tacti-kewl.

Couldn’t agree more. That was my first purchased gun, and if I hadn’t known better, I would have thought guns weren’t fun to shoot. Terrible trigger, impossible to find magazines. I traded it in for a Ruger 10/22, which accompanies me to the range with every trip… even if other guns are coming as the primary focus.

I’d add the Smith 916 12ga shotgun. I think I have the only one that actually works properly, but it took a lot of work on the action when it was handed down to me to get it functional. (That was the fault of the PD that owned it prior to me) Smith apparently tried to buy them all back, and I’ve heard it nearly put them out of business.

The truly awfulLES Rogak.

:eek:
That operating system!

That thing must be a filthy mess to clean.