It would be very hard not to.
Two leftists in their 70s. Wouldn’t appeal to a broad demographic.
I agree. Unless there is a serious schism and a legit 3rd party run, the current political polarisation would never allow a 64/72/84 type landslide election.
I think of myself as pretty well-informed on politics, and I had zero clue who she is until I googled her.
I’m at a loss to why Sanders, who I obviously have issues with but who is obviously a talented politician, would choose someone to be a heartbeat away from the presidency who got crushed in her only attempt at statewide office in Ohio and who is so easily tied to the crackpot Jill Stein.
Based just on paper, if it were a Sanders/Turner ticket, I’d be surprised if it cracked 41% of the national vote. It would be a disaster.
For better or worse, Sanders is the kind of candidate who would choose ideological purity in a running mate above other considerations like electability or how prepared they would be to ascend to the presidency. I don’t like Turner, actually, but she at least could draw in some more black voters and rust belt interest. She is extremely popular among Sanders’ supporters and she has been hitting the media circuit hard lately.
Moot anyway- Biden will be the nominee.
Maybe not, major DNC supporters are worried that Bernie has pulled ahead in the first 2 primaries. This could go to Bernie.
Once the “moderate” not-Bidens drop out in February and endorse Biden, it will be over. Warren will be persuaded to stay in and continue to split the Left vote- perhaps she will or perhaps she won’t, but it won’t really make a difference anyway.
There is no way the donor class allows Sanders to be the nominee. And if he somehow gets it, they will simply push Bloomberg to run 3rd party. Why else do you think he is blanketing TV and social media airwaves with all these ads to boost his name recognition nationwide…
Lucky for them, the voting class feels the same way. On 538, the moderate group of Biden, Bloomberg and Buttigieg are solidly ahead of Sanders & Warren.
That too. But in the unlikely event that Sanders ekes out a win, there are various eject buttons for the party and it’s owners to resort to.
I agree Sanders would pretty much pick a leftist person as his running mate unless he can be talked out of it. He probably would pick a woman in her 40s , 50s or early 60s.
I think this is spot-on. People on the left are going to vote for whomever the Dem ticket is automatically (as long as they turn out). The hard-left ticket of Sanders/Warren will be doomed - I think broad elect-ability will be more important than purity. The small number of voters in key states that can be pulled over to vote Dem will decide the election IMHO.
Please. This was the HRC strategy and look how that turned out. She & Kaine (who??) were supposed to ride a wave of moderate Republican voters who were disgusted with Trump straight to an electoral college landslide. Schumer even said for every disenchanted leftwing voter the Democratic party lost, they would gain 2 or 3 independent suburban voters in return. Instead, on Election day the blue wall (lol) in the Midwest crumbled and took plenty of Dem Senators and Governors with it.
Yes yes, I can already hear it now. But Russia! But Comey!! But mean Bernie Bros!!! Hillary was robbed by countless conspiracies and villains, I know the mantra. Once Uncle Joe/Bland Centrist With Ovaries lose this November, there will be some new exciting conspiracy theories to look forward to.
No. Hillary ran a bad campaign and skipped over the midwest. It’s been discussed a lot why she lost - it was not because of where she was on the political spectrum.
The problem with HRC wasn’t her political positions. One has to squint moderately hard to see any differences between HRC and Obama, especially when Trump is the alternative.
People just didn’t like her.
The political positions between Sanders and Obama are more significant, of course. And I don’t think Sanders is very well liked. Maybe a little better than Clinton, but not nearly as much as Obama. I’m not convinced that’s enough for him to win. Maybe, maybe not.
So, is Biden – who again has positions more like Obama – better liked than HRC? Probably. As much as Obama? Probably not. Is that enough to win? Probably.
“W W W W what if The Orange Monster refuses to leave office in 2024???”
Obama created a new generation of Democratic voters. Hillary didn’t, and Biden certainly won’t. Sanders probably could, but he won’t be given the chance.
Stop trying to convert the miniscule number of independent voters and moderates to your side. They are mostly soft partisans anyway, and those that aren’t are just low-information voters who will just go with whoever social media algorithms tell them to. There is still roughly half the country who doesn’t vote at all, and if a candidate is able to activate them they are worth more than some imaginary group of concerned, enlightened moderates.
Such a ticket would lose the Dems control of the House too.
Candidates who switched Red seats to Blue in 2018 were not on the Sanders wing of the party. Down ballot candidates might have a real problem having to campaign against their GOP opponents if the democratic ticket puts them in a bind of supporting policies that they didn’t win on in 2018.
There is no donor class that will allow or not allow any candidate to be the nominee. Bernie will lose the nomination by his own doing, not some powerful group in the back room. Bloomberg is going to be on enough ballots as a Democrat that they’ll be enough sore loser laws to prevent a 3rd party run.
Afaik, “sore loser” laws generally don’t apply to Presidential elections.
Eta: not so sure now, with a Google.
I can understand when people say they don’t like Clinton as a person. She doesn’t project warmth.
But what I can’t understand is when people say they don’t like Hillary Clinton as a person, so they voted for Donald Trump. If Clinton lacked warmth, Trump reeked of contempt.
I feel the same way about people who say they chose Trump over Clinton because they felt that Clinton was dishonest.