And why do you presume that?
Because not every case of someone getting in trouble with the law makes the news. And sometimes incidents only get a brief mention in a police blotter type column buried on page 33 where most people never see it. I work at a high school. The majority of incidents where students get in trouble with the law don’t make the news.
Does Urbanredneck know any actual facts? Or is he just repeating something somebody told him? And how did the person who told him the story know the story?
“Hello, New York Times? Somebody told me something that somebody told him that happened to a friend of his about something that supposedly happened yesterday, that may or may not have happened at some school, and may or may not be being suppressed by the school administration.”
What actual information does he actually have?
I hadn’t thought of that, but it’s true that teenagers have a knack for exaggerating minor incidents and even fabricating incidents that never happened.
A few years ago my wife, who was teaching at the time, had a sudden health issue in April that kept her out of school for the rest of the school year. I worked at the same school, and stayed with her at the hospital for 2-3 nights. When I returned to school, I was surprised to learn that she had died.
Actually quite a few which I am not telling here as to protect my source. For example 4 kids let 4 bad kids into the school (one with a gun) from 4 separate doors which are normally locked. No discipline was taken on those 4 kids.
And thats the thing. Often schools dont get serious about a problem until the media shows up. if the media did show up the school would have to discipline more of the kids involved. That would be my only reason.
In this case, no. The school did little or nothing to some kids with major involvement.
Its just how many inner city schools work. Let the little idiots run the place.
Who told you that 4 kids let 4 bad kids into the school? Some kid from the school, right? And what is the source of that kid’s information? Stuff he heard from the other kids at school, right? And how did the other kids at school get that information? From each other.
The only facts you cans say for certain is that these particular rumors are going around the kid’s school. Those rumors may be pretty close accurate or they could be complete nonsense, and you have no way of telling which is which.
After the “incident” at my kids school, someone from the police station jumped into the facebook thread in the middle of an over-dramatic facebook thread to say
If there was a gun involved, the only thing you should be doing is calling the police or stopping down at the station. Explain to them that you want to know if they are aware of the incident or, if they aren’t, you’d like to report it.
I’d be surprised if the police department were attempting to cover it up. However, if you’re saying that some opened an exterior door to let a gunman in and no one was in any trouble…there’s more to the story. Either there wasn’t a gun or there is was a gun and the police weren’t made aware of it. In either case, talking to the police is the best plan of action. If you really feel the need to get the media involved, at least talk to the police first to make sure everyone is on the same page WRT the facts about what happened.
Well the thing is the school has its own “police”. Yes, that is right. Those armed officers at a school are not just your ordinary run of the mill security. They ARE actual police. So the local city police wouldnt know about a gun at the school because the school “police” are taking care of it.
Why do you “assume” I am going off something some kid says? No, I have it from adults.
Now granted when looking at an issue we all have our own built in bias/prejudice filter. Where one person on the left might assume that public schools are perfect and have no problems and anyone saying otherwise is some sort of right wing wacko, another might be a person who really does want to bring down public schools and will highlight problems. Thing is the truth is often in the middle. You CAN be both pro-public schools but also want to hold them accountable for the safety of students and staff.
This is why facts need to come out.
I’m a bit confused as to why you call them the actual police, but refer to them as “police” (in scare quotes).
All elementary and high schools I know of have actual police at them. They’re real police that happen to have “police liaison to [school]” as one of their main duties. At my college the county it was in had a fully working Sheriff’s Substation on the campus.
Getting back to elementary and high schools, I could certainly understand if the officer working the school wasn’t going around arresting or ticketing students for minor things, especially when talking to them will do just as much and often more. But I’ll still hold that either there wasn’t a gun or there’s more to the story.
And, again, call the local police department and ask them about it. If they have no knowledge of it, report it to them. Let them know about the 4 kids opening the doors, the 4 other kids entering the school, give them the name of the gunman.
If they already know, ask for a copy of the police report and you can find out for yourself what happened.
At this point, I simply do not believe that a gunman entered the school, at least 8 people were involved, multiple others know about it and the police at the school just ignored it.
Has the moral panic over school shootings gotten so bad that even a shooting that didn’t happen is expected to be newsworthy?
Adults are not immune from repeating rumors started by kids. It happens all the time.
… and what might a right-wing person assume?
(Christ, how and why did you drag politics and liberal-bashing into this question?)
Are you under the impression that these school resource officers (who are actual police, yes) are fully independent from the local police department?
I don’t know where this…event supposedly happened, but at least one of the school districts in his area does have its own separate police department.
Yes, they are. Same way as some universities have their own police. I used to live by one and their cops had the right to hand out tickets on public streets surrounding the college and I have even seen them go to a house around outside the college. I heard, and this might be wrong, but they had authority over about 1 mile away from the college.
So no, school cops wouldnt have to report things to local police.
Yes, if a kid got into a school with a gun, the school covered it up, and the kid who let the armed person is - nothing was done to him.
If you have knowledge about something like this, of course you should tell someone about it. Specifically, the someone you should tell is the police. That’s their job.
But note, that’s only if you have knowledge about it. What do you know, and how do you know it? Obviously you didn’t see the students letting the other students into the school, because if you had, you would have stopped it yourself. Were you even present at all? If you heard it all from someone else, isn’t that someone else who should be talking to the police, instead? And how did they find out?
If they are truly independent (or as independent as one police dept is another one in the next city), then you’d contact them and see what became of the incident. If you’re not satisfied with the answer, find out who the report to. That, I believe, will vary from one place to the next. As far as I know police chief is an appointed position. Send off an email to the people or group that appointed them and ask.
I still can’t condone going to the media. I suppose if you know all this information and you know it’s a fact and you know nothing was done about it and you don’t want to talk to the police department, then go report it to your county’s Sheriff’s Office and see what happens that way.
You could even follow that up with a email to the Sheriff and carbon copy the school board members.