Yeah, and don’t forget to quote Nostradomus while you’re at it!:rolleyes:
And these are mutually exclusive how? :rolleyes:
How about Pride and hypocracy! Polycarp, it helps a lot if you actually read what you post. You ignored the verse that states the whole purpose of the parable. Why don’t you try it again, starting at verse 9:
Polycarp, the Bible does not say the word ‘Trinity’, but it does say "Father, Son, and Holy spirit. With all due respect, that’s a really weak argument.
Guy 1: “Help, I got bitten!”
Guy 2: “By what?”
Guy 1: “A long reptile with fangs and no legs that slithers around and bites people!”
Guy 2: “Aha! A snake!”
Guy 3: “Oh no it’s not! He didn’t say snake! He never said the word snake!”
Whether the word “trinity” is in the text or not, it’s obvious to anyone with half a brain that the concept is there.
Anyway, I still cannot find anything relating to Guinastasia’s “sin of presumption” or that knowing you are going to heaven is a sin.
The parable you speak of is also about pride, and the sin of saying “Oh God, thank you for how good I am, Thank you for making me better than this piece of crap next to me!” There is a big difference and it is not related, Polycarp. It is not pride to be confident that I am going to heaven. I am not trusting in myself, I am trusting in Jesus.
Guinastasia:
They’re not mutally exclusive. But you seem to think that they are the same thing. They are not. But since you seem to think they are, I’m sure you’ll have no trouble showing me in the Bible where it says we are unsure of our salvation until the moment of Judgement, right? I’d really like to see that.
You guys always spend so much time quoting from the Catechism or from Catholic doctrine, but you don’t ever quote it from the Bible. The reason, I guess, is that there’s no Biblical support for it.
echokitty: that’s a straw man with enough straw to open up a mattress factory! I don’t think I said anything about creation at all. In fact, the only person around here I’ve seen “spewing fiction” about dinosaur bones being put here to trick us is YOU. But since you mention it, the Bible is not a geology textbook. It tells us about God and how to have a relationship with him, not about where dinosaurs came from.
Anyway, back to the “sin of presumption”:
Sounds to me like we have the right to be confident in our salvation (not our righteousness). But if you still don’t believe me, try this:
Ok, I’ll stop now. But I really don’t know how it can be more clear that we are entitled to confidence in our salvation. Guinastatia, comments?
Basically, sin of presumption means, do not ASSUME you are going to Heaven, or you are forgiven.
To be more specific, it could be, for example, committing a sin, and saying, “Oh, God will forgive me!” Or Oh, I can just go to confession.
It doesn’t work that way.
Guinastasia, what does that have to do with the price of apples in China? I said nothing of the sort. You asked dreamer how she knows she is going to heaven. You proceeded to say something about The Catholic doctine “sin of presumption”. I then showed why (with using the Bible) we can be confident about such things.
JD
JerseyDiamond said, “I don’t think I said anything about creation at all. In fact, the only person around here I’ve seen “spewing fiction” about dinosaur bones being put here to trick us is YOU.”
I was speaking of christians in general…not this thread in particular. I believe I’ve seen you post in other threads, and the subject does come up. Are you saying that christians DON’T believe that the Earth is only a few thousand years old?
That’s not to say I saw YOU post those exact things, but christians in general (Dreamer, to name one) believe that the earth is much younger than modern science calculates it to be.
As ahs already been posted in several threads, many Christians reconcile their faith with science. Polycarp, Duck Duck Goose, Jodi, and** Guinistasia** are just a few of the example that come to mind. The Young Earth Creationists, like Dreamer, Jersey Diamond, and His4ever are part of a segment of american fundamentalists who think that the Bible’s creation stories must be accepted as an historical account of the process of the appearance of life on Earth.
But not all Christians believe in creationism, just the uneducated ones.
I knew that. I forgot to add the word “some”.
But not all Christians believe in creationism, just the uneducated ones.
I wouldn’t exactly say that. Although education has been shown to be a large factor in whether someone believes in evolution or creationism, there are other things involved. How likely people are to look at things with an objective eye is a big one here. If the people in question are likely to get emotionally invested, though still intelligent, then the cognitive dissonance required to continue believe in creationism is quite easy to pull of.
I knew that. I forgot to add the word “some”.
Count vanilla as one of the christians who doesn’t really care when mankind was created.
All that matters is that Jesus died for our sins, was resurrected and lives forever.
I’ll second that and add that I did some research on what my earlier beliefs were about how old the earth is and have pretty much figured out that I don’t know, could be wrong, could be right, but am not sure it matters much in the scheme of things. IMO.
Why do you not think that the age of the Earth matters in the scheme of things? It is of utmost importance to many areas of science, including geology, biology, astronomy… It matters a great deal.
JerseyDiamond-"It seems like everyday someone is saying that ______ never existed, and archeologist prove otherwise. "
Let me guess - Troy? Can you name a couple more(I know it’s tough when you have to exclude the ones that support evolution), maybe within the last 100 years? Not that I can imagine what archeologists are going to find that indicate God’s existence. A “fully functional” ark of the covenant perhaps?
Netbrian, I didn’t mean it doesn’t matter in science etc, just that IMO God’s love and salvation is more important for me to focus on than trying to figure out things like the age of the earth.
Why would any of those things be important to someone who believes the Rapture is imminent?
Just so. Isn’t there a (apocryphal?) account of one of Reagan’s advisors being caught saying that it really didn’t matter what we did to the environment, since Christ was coming back soon?
A lot of people would like the world to die, in a sort of passive-aggressive way. That kind of mindset is a little baffling to me, but I suppose it takes all sorts.
Drastic that would be James Watt. He was Secretary of the Interior, and that was only one of many offensive statements. He eventually was forced to resign after making a crack about his committee having two blacks, a woman, three Jews and a cripple, or something like that.
The man was a nutcase.