Bad news: The assertion of “It can’t happen here” has a poor track record of being correct.
Good news: this is an exception.
No, you are simply asserting it is, with all the evidence saying otherwise. So far Trump and the fascists are doing as they please with minimal attempts at resistance. Much less successful resistance.
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Thanks. That was kind of reassuring. Not totally, but after reading it, I’m feeling better than I did two weeks ago.
I find it not at all relieving.
The USA being destroyed as a result of Canada being destroyed doesn’t do me any favours.
Like it or not, Americans enjoy Trump’s fascism, and Dems are just throwing their hands up in hopeless acceptance.
By the way, guys, try looking outside your bubble.
Dip into social media that has Republicans in it (Which the SDMB does not.) Trumpists LOVE the idea of annexing Canada. It’s very popular.
Just as so, so many posters on SDMB were bizarrely blind to the fact Trump was a favourite going into the election, I think many are blind to the fact annexing Canada is a popular idea now about those that elected Trump - who outnumbered those who voted Harris. Trump is working on increasing support for this and he’s succeeding.
At least one poll by Angus Reid showed 25% support for invasion. That is INSANELY high, guys. And that figure will go up.
According to Yougov’s polls, most Trump voters support annexation. And by the way, most US soldiers lean Republican.
If any American here thinks it’s not a supported position in the USA you need to wake up and look at the facts. That many people wanting to take over another country is fucking NUTS. It’s an easily increased figure. I cannot imagine a Canadian seriously supporting Canada literally invading and enslaving another country. And in most of these polls a lot of people are “don’t know” which just gives permission to the ones who want to take us over.
I was living in the US when Bush started instigating the Iraq War with the media blitz about WMD. Complete fabricated bullshit that I recall was debated at length by some on this very board.
As a Canadian, but mostly as a thinking person who paid attention, I didn’t think their ‘evidence’ held up. I recall some arguments with my American (ex) girlfriend about it - she fully bought into what was being spewed and I couldn’t understand how / why.
If you look - the wiki article on this has a study that concluded:
- The repetition of tentative news stories, even if they are subsequently disconfirmed, can assist in the creation of false memories in a substantial proportion of people.
- Once information is published, its subsequent correction does not alter people’s beliefs unless they are suspicious about the motives underlying the events the news stories are about.
- When people ignore corrections, they do so irrespective of how certain they are that the corrections occurred.
This is how Trump, Fox News and others bends Americans to their will and could very conceivably get the majority of the population to truly believe that attacking Canada is their best option forward - because of some made up casus belli.
As far as shooting Canadians, I mean that is exactly what an invading army does. Did American troops not use live ammo in Iraq?
The USA killed tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians. 100,000 is actually a low estimate. Some estimates go much higher.
“Collateral damage” is what they call it, but it’s still an invading army willing to kill civilians for an imperalist pursuit.
Americans should remember that even in the American Revolution, support for the Revolution was only between 30-40%. It doesn’t take a majority to run a war.
That’s just the standard crazification factor. About 20-25% of people will say yes to ANYTHING they’re polled on.
“Sure, 1 in 4 Americans want to take you over, including a majority of the supporters of the party that has all the power. Also, 1 in 4 don’t care, so the ratio of no to yes is a stunningly low two-to-one. So we’re maybe a 15 percent swing away from invasion, but don’t worry about it! Nothing to see here, folks!”
Also note that annexing Greenland? 50-50. That’s Step 1. Then Canada will be next.
The poll says 33-68.
No it doesn’t. It says 34 percent against, 33 for, and 33 couldn’t be bothered to say yes or no. So they don’t matter to decision makers. They now have essentially half the population that cares.
“Not sure”, meaning that it’s not even something they’ve bothered to think about.
Except, that’s not what “not sure” means.
Right. If MAGA is 30% of American adults, then 25% is not all that surprising. These people are permanent idiots.
Most of those 33% probably think so little about Greenland that if you pressed them they’d tell you it was already part of the US or Canada.