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I would betray my nation for a Klondike Bar.
Betray is an awful strong word. Outing traitors is not betraying my country if it could save it. Look at what is happening in Great Britain! The poor Brit’s are being put in a position of being PC or being taken over. It sickens me to watch it. I fear for it happening here. If I were a Brit I would throw them all out on their ears PC or not, war or not.
That anti religious guy Hatchings can say horrible things about God but he can’t bring himself to admit that his own country got taken to the cleaners. I find it amusing and ironic for an atheist of his proportion to be at a loss for words. For once he can’t say what he wants and this must be killing him…:smack:
Um… what the hell are you talking about?
Incidentally, “I hate the idea of causes, and if I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country” (E.M. Forster, Two Cheers for Democracy)
I think you probably mean Christopher Hitchens, not “Hatchings,” and he’s American.
I don’t know what you’re referring to in the UK, or what you think he “can’t say,” but I assure you that Hitchens is not afraid to say anything he wants about anything at all.
Christopher Hitchens is British. But I still want to know what **Perciful **thinks she’s talking about.
Hitchens is British born, but is now a US citizen.
I am in love with Christopher Hitchens.
That is all.
Me too.
As for the OP, well, my employment is premised on the ability to keep things secret. So no, I wouldn’t pass national secrets on, unless I was about to quit because whatever I’d found out was so horrific I couldn’t keep quiet. And there are other, proper channels to deal with that kind of situation, I imagine - I’ve never had to use them, obviously.
But it’s not about loyalty to my nation, just my personal integrity. It’s what I agreed to when I took the job.
It seems (as much as I can work out in any way what she’s on about) that changing citizenship would not make someone American in Perciful’s eyes, and that she was referring to him because he was British. Which should not be taken to mean that I’ve worked out what she’s really talking about yet. Oh, Perciful - come back and explain what you’re saying about my country, would you?
Oh I’m sorry I had to go to work. I thought Hitchens was a Brit the way he talked about his old neighborhood ? Did he ever live there? He was in a Rutherford interview about the forced immigration and the long term effects it has had on daily life. I’m referring to the immigration in Europe some years back where countries took in Islamic refugees and now regret it. I’ll try and find and the interview and post it for you.
Hitchens was born in Britain in 1949 and remained there until 1981, when he came to America. He became a U.S. citizen in 2007, retaining his British citizenship as well. He is, I would say, both British and American. He is British-American.
He definately has a British accent!
Britain may well have taken in Muslim refugees, along with refugees of all kinds of religions, but I don’t remember hearing about a sudden influx of them. We have large immigrant populations who might be Muslim, along with their families who are born and brought up here (and, thus, not immigrants). So I’d be interested to hear about this forced immigration - who was forced into it? How and why? We normally call forced immigration “people trafficking” and it’s illegal…
ETA: I see you posted a YouTube link - thank you! Don’t know how I missed that. Will watch when I’m back from work…
Nicole, I wouldn’t bother if I were you. He’s talking about how dreadful it is that there are a lot of Muslims in Finsbury Park (he doesn’t say when he actually went back or lived there again - you know, to have an actual informed opinion based on real facts - but he claims that when he grew up there, there were a lot of immigrants including Irish people, but no violence. I’m guessing he’s forgotten about the IRA), and conflating fundamentalist Islamism with normal Muslims who live here and have lived here for a very long time, with no force involved, perfectly peacefully (apart from when they’re attacked by racists, in which case the violence is hardly their own fault). He claims that the majority of young Muslims want to impose Sharia law on the whole of the UK, which is patently bullshit. Really I’m having trouble paying attention to it; it’s very long (two parts) and repetitive, and it’s a call-in show which I hate. He’s just as I write claiming that there are “people who want to make the UK into an Islamic theocracy by force” (bullshit), and that “we’re in a war for civilisation”. “Muslim society must change, not secular society”. Muslim society, ordinary Muslim people like my friends, neighbours and students, are as appalled by Islamism as any terrified insularist like Hitchens. He’s not a moron, but he seems unable to realise that there’s a difference between ordinary people and fanatics. And that goes for all people, not just Muslims. Perciful, speaking as someone who lives in London with a mosque about 200 yards from my home, I would pay about as much attention to Christopher Hitchens and his hate-filled scaremongering as I would to any other ranting alcoholic: none.
Well here’s an example: giving away some information on military tactics in Afghanistan. It won’t kill thousands but it may kill several soldiers and more than your immediate family.
If it would in the long run minimize human suffering, yes.
Which would increase long-term human suffering as a weakened America would mean a strengthened China and a block to worldwide capitalist-democratic globalization.
Nonsense. America is no barrier to China; and America is an enemy of democracy and always has been. People in a democracy after all just might vote that ways America disapproves of; we refer puppet dictators.
I wouldn’t want the fragmenting of the nation just because it would cause widespread suffering in those fragmented areas. While the United States might be responsible for a lot of harm in the world the people who would be affected by this aren’t personally responsible.