Would you let a Jew in your house? [Auschwitz hypothetical]

I’m not a very confrontational person in real life, nor am I willing to risk my own life for a stranger (usually).

I would say No to questions 1-6, because I would not intentionally endanger my family, but I would not report them to the authorities either.

I bet most people are like me, when it comes to real life. That’s how most normal German citizens behaved, at least.

Edit: I see a lot of this ground has already been covered. I responded without reading the thread, per the OP instructions. Sorry!

“Friends? Your friends? If you lock them together in a room with no food for a week … THEN you could see what it is, friends … !"

– Vladek Spiegelman

  1. I think most posters will say they would help.
  2. I think in real life, most wouldn’t.

Sad to say, I wouldn’t help. I wouldn’t report them, but I wouldn’t help. Maybe if I was single I would, but I couldn’t justify putting my children in that sort of danger.

One of the horrible things about totalitarian regimes is that they turn decent people into monsters. All the more reason to praise the heroes of the Holocaust who did risk their lives for others.

Human nature is not just self-interested – it’s perverse.

I read a couple of books telling the true story of a British soldier (George Millar) who escaped a Nazi POW camp in 1943 (his account of his life on the run in Germany and occupied Europe is entitled “Horned Pigeon,” and is available on Amazon; the sequel, wherein this idiot parachutes back into France to join the Resistance, is called “Maquis”).

The prevailing reaction Millar seems to have encountered is something along the lines of “Ummm, yeah, too bad for you, not sure I can do much for you, now can you kind of leave?” This was true not only in Germany, but even among people who should have naturally been the enemies of his enemy. Even the Resistance guys were suspicious, standoffish, quarrelsome, not always trustworthy.

And then there’s just, as mentioned, pure human perversity. While Millar was on the run, he finds temporary but precarious refuge in annexed Strasbourg (right next to Germany proper). But he is almost ruined when the “underground” organizations that are supposedly his link to escape allow their internal personality conflicts to jeopardize his very life.

First, one of the key underground operatives is suddenly unable to spirit our hero out from the country, because his wife is cheating on him with an SS official. Operative tries to confront her and win her back, she responds “You miserable rat. That is just what I would expect from you when you are supported by your own thugs and I am here alone. You only sniffed and cried when you found me in bed with him in the hotel. I have had one night of utter happiness . . . . Seven hours with him have blotted out the memory of seven horrible years with you. In seven years not one moment of peace and understanding . . . . I love the children. But I need romance in my life, and now, thank God, I have found it.”

Of course, the operative becomes useless and the plan to exfiltrate our hero stalls.

Shortly thereafter, he dubiously accepts the offer of a buxom striking blonde woman to help him escape. Turns out her husband is a leading Nazi, but she swears she hates both hubby and the party, and wants to help the escapee. Blonde proceeds to try to set up a rivalry among our hero and two other escapees hiding at her house. “She was very gay . . . she sat there at the head of her little table, playing with the three of us as though we were billiard balls to be maneuvered in gentle caroms . . . She was obviously playing for a flare-up. I could think of no way to stop it.” Later, they are fleeing from possible pursuit, and the blonde suddenly says to him: “Would you like to see the chateau?”
Our hero, not knowing what else to say and reluctant to offend his supposed savior, agrees. After leading him into the grounds, she goes on:

“Yes . . . a splendid house. It is the German general’s mess at the moment. If we meet anyone, just say that you are with me, and I will get you through. Perhaps it was foolish of me to bring you here. I never could resist a ‘dare,’ and as we were coming along here I said to myself, ‘You wouldn’t dare to take Georges in there.’ So, I ask you, what was a poor girl to do. Yes, it was mad. But now I shall have the memory of your presence here to cheer me through the long, gray months that lie ahead.”

Moral: when the chips are down, human nature reacts in a lot of strange, selfish, sometimes crazy ways (alternate moral: don’t approach crazy chicks for help). “Disinterested heroism” probably accounts for a distinct minority of these various reactions.

Give them shelter. It would be the right thing to do. Besides which, my impulse is always to fight authority, even when it gets me into trouble. And I’m sure it would have gotten me into trouble at some point in Nazi Germany.

That’s enough for me. Still give them shelter.

If someone is begging me for help, as posited above, I would be inclined to help them. (I’m assuming they are begging me to shelter them.)

Not clear on what you’re asking here. Is it someone I know? Or is some stranger off the street asking to hide in my house? And they are claiming to be a Jew, but I don’t know if they really are? In this scenario, I might be a little more concerned that it’s just a run-of-the-mill escaped criminal. I might not give them shelter, without more information.

I’m sure most will say they would give shelter, at least in the first scenario. I hope most would, but I doubt it. Don’t underestimate the power of groupthink.

Edited to add: I wasn’t really thinking about this in terms of protecting my family. (I am single with no kids.) If I were married with children, it would be a much more difficult call. I would probably give the person short-term shelter, but a family decision would have to be made about long-term shelter.

That was already my assumption.

No, but I’d risk her life - if the alternative was the gas chamber for the Jew.

I do. Like I said above, it’s not such an extreme hypothetical in my family. Sure, death was never the likely outcome in our case, but certainly my parents put themselves at risk of prison to hide someone from the cops for a week. Granted, it was a family member, so not quite like the stranger in the OP, but still - I’ve kind of got that example to live up to, yeah?

Elendil got it pretty well.

I like to think of myself as a brave hero, but I’ve never stared down the business end of a gun (or a far worse fate, considering how the Nazis like to go about things). And I probably would do the right thing anyway (I have a bad habit of taking reckless dares)…if it were just me. If others were involved…hope I never find out.

You could not do it. They have big noses and would suck up all the oxygen. It would be hard to risk the life of your kitty.

Scenario 1: I’d offer them some food, clothing, supplies… but no, I’m sorry to say that I can’t house you. I wouldn’t report them, either, though.

Scenario 2: Same

Scenario 3: I might be more inclined to offer them shelter, given that my primary reason for not doing so to begin with is the likelihood of endangering my own family. If I didn’t know that harboring them meant endangering my family, I’d be more likely to take them in.

Scenarios 4,5,6: Probably not.

  1. I think most posters will say that they would help.
  2. I doubt most posters would actually help.

Final question for luck: Meh. I’m indifferent to color coding.

what’s color coding, anyway?

First off, I’m divorcing myself from my gut reaction, because I think that that reaction is partially BECAUSE of the Holocaust. We remember it, and we learn from it; when it was HAPPENING, they didn’t have that background.

Realistically, I’d probably’ve been tossed away long before anyone could’ve come to my door. I’m outspoken, not terribly subtle, and have issues with authority. Barring that. . .

In all the situations, yes, probably. I’m single. I don’t have any children. I’m 24, and am half-convinced I’m immortal anyway. I SUCK when it comes to people asking me for money/help. So, yeah, I probably would–and this is not necessarily a positive reflection on my character.

That being said, I have NO idea how I’d react if I had a child; I understand that that changes one’s entire perspective.

Good point. Post-1945 “everyone knows” that there’s probably no real good reason, but lots of bad reasons, for mass punitive interning of people in “camps” of any kind. At the time, though, the party line had been, hey, we’re “concentrating” them just for convenience, for their protection, really, it’s almost just like a purpose-built ghetto, there have always been ghettos in Europe, besides, we’re just getting folks ready to be sent back to the Slavic East, or to Palestine, yeah, that’s it.

Also post-1945, anyone who tries to justify any policy on grounds of “eugenics” or “preserving racial purity” is down 2.9 strikes before the first pitch is thrown out. But in the 1920s and '30s, eugenics was a fashionable “cause” among many educated people, including young ladies of society. So one of the factors that we “know” marks separting people out from the population as wrong – the fact that they were being separated based on ethnic background – was not so instantly, self-evidently a red flag that the detention was illegitimate back then.

Remember too that you, the Polish townsman, or “good German,” have been living under a propaganda state for years. The state doesn’t detain people except to defend the well being of the Volk at large – right? If someone’s in a camp, it’s because he’s an enemy of the people, a Bolshevik, a criminal, etc. So even if you do vaguely know that Bad Things are happening to people in the camp, are you definitely going to be sure that they deserve your risking life and limb? I’m pretty uneasy about Guantanamo, waterboarding, rendition, etc., but I will confess that some of that is not from first principles – if I thought these techniques were only being applied to hardcore, five-minutes-from-hijacking-the-plane Muslim terrorists, I’d probably sanction that and more. It’s only my ex post facto knowledge that hapless and possibly harmless dupes like Jose Padilla are getting this treatment that makes me realize ex post facto that something bad is going on and I should speak out.

Yeah, but the OP said:

Scenario 1:

If people are willing to kill the person that I’m sheltering for no reason I would be risking them killing me and my family. It would depend on my ability to accomplish this with out being caught. But If there was over a 50% chance of getting I’d have to pass.

Scenario 2:

I think this would increase my willingness to help out as the Nazis would seem less blood thirsty and less likely to kill my family.

Scenario 3:

Now I’d have to wonder if this person had done something wrong outside of being Jewish. It would end up being an evaluation of the person asking’s character.

**Scenarios 4,5,6: **

At this point I’d have to assume they they did something bad to be locked up and they would have to work very hard to convince me that they wouldn’t kill me and my family in my sleep.
And two more questions:

  1. I think most people are kinder then me and will open up their homes.
  2. I think most would help but fear would be a larger factor possible eliminating more then half of the good Samaritans
    Final question for luck:

Color coding is rather anoying

The OP said I have my *current *morality & mindset. My current mindset is: trust nothing the State tells you. I’ve found this works very well as a first approximation. I think it’d work in Nazi Germany just as well.

Hmm. I did see that part of the OP, didn’t totally follow what he meant. If the intent was indeed “with the benefit of hindsight . . .” then fine – but I suspect my doubts about the efficacy of this OP are heightened, and I wonder if we’re verging on R.O. territory.

Except for one thing. Your neighbors, coworkers, etc. are paying close attention to your words and reactions on current events ever since the beginning of the Reich. If you are in an urban area, you have a block leader who visits regularly. You’ll have had to be very quiet indeed about your mistrust of National Socialism, not to mention innocuous and unremarkable in every other way, if you’re still around in 1944 with an attitude like yours. When it comes to disloyalty the Party needs very little to go on.

Those are the only questions I’m going to (sort of) answer to.

I don’t think that people can tell what they would do in exceptionnal and dangerous circumstances (OK, maybe 0.5% know themselves well enough to tell, but I can’t know who they are). I’m only going to believe people who actually lived through such circumstances. Words are cheap. Note that I’m not even going to pay attention to people people who would state they would be overwhelmed by cowardice. They don’t know, either. It doesn’t apply only to genocide, but also to rising against tyranny, fighting in a war, reacting against a criminal holding you at gunpoint, rescuing a baby from a fire, etc…
Finally, remember that next time, it won’t be the Jews. It would be too easy. The target of the next horror show will be less obvious, the steps leading to it will go unoticed except for some doom-sayers, most of the population will find the crimes justified or at least understandable, and many will actively support it, including some of your friendly neighbors (or maybe even yourself). It works like a charm every single time.

In those circumstances, probably not. I mean, I’d feel bad for the guy, but I’d probably feel worse for me when I was caught and killed.

Let’s translate this to modern times. It is not an exact translation, of course; there are several notable differences. But I think it serves to help illustrate how it might feel at the time.

It’s 2008. You live in Florida, near a naval base that ships prisoners to Guantanamo Bay. You know what is going on there (at least to the extent they are holding prisoners without charges, sbject to torture). Someone you know to be an accused terrorist begs you for help. Do you let them shelter in your house or report them to the authorities?

Where did you get “speak out against the State” from my “trust nothing the State tells you”? I’m perfectly capable of going about my daily business without having my inner thoughts written on my face. Not that I think it’s relevant - to propose I might’ve been grassed on by my Hitler Youth neighbour kid last year is to deny the OP’s hypothetical - clearly I’ve kept my head down enough up to this point even with my modern day sensibilities, it’s the starting premise of the bloody OP.