Came across this list of female teachers accused of having sex with students.
I did not realize there are so many of them.
Hey, women have sex drives too, and can also employ them just as inappropriately as men. Perhaps there are fewer women than men who engage in this sort of thing, or perhaps they just get caught less often. Perhaps both.
But they’re out there. Back when my prison was a co-ed institution, I saw lots of examples of women who had had sex with underage males (and females), usually while under the influence. Usually that’s not what they were in prison for, but when their sexually transmitted disease tests came back positive, and we had to start sorting out who all might have given it to/gotten it from them, lots of things came to light.
My guess, caught less often + less public outrage.
This is pretty messed up. I can’t even imagine being sexually attracted to a 14 year old. The mere idea gives me the willies.
I think the reason we don’t hear about this is because of the whole “hot for teacher” crap. Men (or women in the case of handsome male teachers) who say, “I would have loved for my teacher to ‘teach’ me a thing or two when I was 17 years old wink wink” The reason that they were going to have a hard time prosecuting Debra LaFave was because she was so pretty (which I think is a load of BS but…)
Some of the weirder ones from the site (bolding is mine):
Amira Sa’Si, 30: Clayton County, Ga., woman remarked she didn’t think her relationship was inappropriate based on her Internet research, learning the Peach State’s age of consent is 16.
Carol Flannigan, 50: Boca Raton, Fla., music teacher reportedly slept with 11-year-old former student, and also had a simultaneous sexual relationship with the boy’s father.
Elizabeth Miklosovic, 36: Grand Rapids, Mich., woman pleaded no contest to sexually assaulting a** 14-year-old female student she “married” in a pagan ritual. **
Georgianne Harrell, 24: Sylvester, Ga., woman charged with performing oral sex on a 9-year-old boy, allowing students to gaze down her blouse and slashing her wrists with glass in front of her students. She pleaded not guilty.
Joan Marie Sladky, 28: Redwood City, Calif., woman sentenced to six months in county jail for having sex with a 16-year-old student after pleading no contest to four counts of unlawful sexual intercourse, oral copulation and penetration with a foreign object. This one is just disgusting beyond words or bolding anything
Margaret De Barraicua, 30: Sacramento, Calif., area woman arrested after police found her having sex with a 16-year-old male student in her car while the woman’s toddler was strapped into a seat in the back.
Pamela Smart, 22: Media-services director at Winnacunnet High School in Hampton, N.H., had convinced her 15-year-old lover to murder her husband. **The Nicole Kidman film “To Die For” is based on her story. **
Pamela Turner, 27: **Former model and beauty-pageant contestant ** accused of having a three-month sexual relationship with a 13-year-old boy
That is just a sampling. Proof positive that we live in a screwed up world. The really sad thing is that thanks to these psycho bitches, all teachers hav to live with the reputation and suspicion.
Your prison was coed? 
I assume men and women were in seperate wings so how did they have sex with eachother? Or did you mean female guards were having sex with underage male inmates?
They were kept separate. We were the intake facility for new women prisoners, so we did the initial assessment and testing, which picked up STDs that they’d gotten back when they were not in jail or prison.
A guard having sex with an inmate is a criminal offense. It used to just be a firing offense, but a few years back the state legislature made it a crime too. And rightly so.
Well really, the term “child” is a human construct just as is “morality” and “time” and “professionalism.” In nature sexual maturity = sexual viability = reproductive activity. Scrogging a 9-year old though, that seems a bit odd and biologically wasteful on the level of reproductive intent. But a 14 or 15 year old? Well that was the norm in the USA just over a century ago and still is in many parts of the world.
Anything ‘screwed up’ about this world is the degree from which we have forced our actions to depart from our natures.
And sadly, none of them worked at my high school.
Are you some kind of Taoist?
No. I prefer coffee.
Inigo, I hate to disagree with you on this one, but…
While I agree that we are programmed to find hot 15, 16, and 17 year old sexually attractive, it is ILLEGAL. And we are not slaves to our bodies, or our sex drives.
The rules we agree to live by as a society state that we won’t have sex with minors (a legal definition that can be changed, if society deems it needs to be) and that we won’t have sex with those we’re in charge of in a professional capacity.
The fact that a 30 year old man who seduces and has sex with a 14 year old girl is just as bad (socially, and possibly other issues, given our culture) as a 30 year old female teacher seducing and having sex with a 14 year old boy.
As long as there are rules on the books, and society accepts them, they should be followed.
Are you sure about that? I’ve always heard, and my experience has concurred, that sexual attraction is something that you feel and can’t really change just because you consciously want to, or want to be attracted to someone else.
Now yes, acting on it is a choice, but won’t it manifest itself one way or another eventually?
Please note that I am not trying to put forth the argument that these people had no choice in what they did. I am simply questioning whether attempting to consciously suppress/divert our natural sex drives is a “good” thing.
So we are in agreement then. We do find reproductively viable minors mateworthy (nature), and the principal inhibitor of getting busy with them are the human constructs of “morality” “professionalism” and let’s add “law” (departure from nature).
My point was simply that we are sometimes punishing members of our society for acting completely naturally (not to be confused with ‘freaky’ in the case of those who hook up with sexually immature individuals)–and that’s a bit messed up and a result of our agreements as a society.
Still, I’m not ready to start shattering socially accepted standards. By my argument I should be a great grandfather at the age of 39–and I can’t wrap my head around that!
True, but that manifestation is what we control. There are hot girls aplenty where I work, but I don’t try to have sex with them. They wouldn’t like it, my wife wouldn’t like it, and losing my job isn’t worth it.
So instead, I acknowledge they are hot in my mind, and deal with it… in my mind.
Sexual attraction =/= must have that person.
Although, I think you’re agreeing with me… I’m just overly flame sensitive today.
Mmm, coffee and taoist. I just need some scrambled eggs and I’m set for breakfast.
We live in a screwed up society if a teacher feels that they can and should have sex with a student. When I was a freshman in college and took Introduction to Education we were told not to even think about it unless we like screwing up our lives.
This is not about attraction. It is about control as rape cases are. The need to control someone else, especially weaker people.
“we are not slaves to our bodies, or our sex drives.”
Agreed. At least I’m not.
“But a 14 or 15 year old? Well that was the norm in the USA just over a century ago and still is in many parts of the world.”
Mortality rates were very high partly due to young bodies having multiple children. Keep in mind that this dealt with marriage (good idea or bad idea) and domestic violence was also high. These children were and are getting married not just having sex with an older teacher. Also, just because it has been done in the past doesn’t mean it is a good idea now.
Well, yes and no - I’m saying that it’s quite possible to supress one’s natural sex drives, but I’m asking: is it healthy? Doesn’t it have to come out one way or the other eventually? Not just in our minds, but expressed in some outward, physical way?
I’m just not sure it’s a good idea to keep it all bubbling under the surface. What if some of these women were frustrated at not being able to fully express themselves sexually with the true objects of their desire, and so they took it out on the students, who were willing, and fairly easy to manipulate to their own ends?
I’m just saying it’s a possibility.
Even if a 14 year old were legal, it would still be a bad idea for teacher to get involved with them sexually. I have friends that are TAs at various Universities that have been told they are not allowed to become sexually involved with their students, even though the students are all 18+. Some countries apparently do put this into consideration. A 16 year old Canadian female friend of mine has told me that she’s legal for sexual encounters as long as the individual in question isn’t in a position of authority.
I’m questioning the statement that men are naturally hard-wired to seek out such young partners based on some new information I just discovered but that’s for GD.
For anyone to have sex with anyone under the age of consent is illegal. End of story. And it is illegal not only because children are undeveloped sexually but even when they begin to develop abilities they lack the decision making ability to decide who they should have sexual relations with and who they should not. If the adult is a teacher it is worse in the eyes of the public becuase a teacher is supposed to be a trusted responsible adult. My guess is that there are just as many male teahcers abusing young ladies but that young ladies are not apt to come forward for a variety of possible reasons. Young men are apt to brag about it.
If I could build on Inigo’s comments, I think his point is that while this kind of behaviour is violative of civil (as in “civilisation”) norms and could be fairly labelled as “illegal” or “irresponsible” or “destructive” or “worthy of punishment,” it’s not fair to paint it as “sick” or “unnatural” or “psycho.” There is nothing more natural than the desire to mate with sexually mature persons of the opposite sex, even if the law prohibits actually acting on that desire.