She was basically blacklisted in Hollywood, I believe. Before she was kicked off the Mandalorian she was working steadily - 13 projects in six years, including roles in Fast and Furious movies, Heist, and Deadpool. Since then, the only work she’s gotten was “Terror on the Prairie” and “My Son Hunter” - both small films by a conservative film studio.
There’s nothing crazy about it. Trump has actually stated things that support dictatorship, like attacking freedom of the press, and, you know, actually trying to install himself as president despite losing an election. It’s not crazy to believe that there will not be any future elections when the guy in question has literally tried to overturn an election before in order to remain in power.
This is exactly the sort of position that doesn’t make a lot of sense to us. Why in the world would someone see what Trump has done, compare it with the things that other politicians have done, and act like they are the same?
My take is that libertarians are often more centrists than anything else. They just want to believe both parties are the same, and thus will contort to make them so. They want to be “socially liberal and financially conservative,” but actually define that as “socially Democratic and financially Republican.” So it doesn’t matter how far Republicans have strayed away from conservatism towards authoritarianism (the opposite of libertarianism). The libertarians have to keep their foot in both pies.
Ironically, this is also a problem on the actual extremists of our side. Those are the actual left, the ones who are so far away from the current system in their politics that they have a hard time telling the difference. The ones who float ideas such as “accelerationism” where you let things get horrible so people will wise up. Where we need a totalitarian government to get people in the streets for an actual revolution.
The anti-Trump Democrats are not the extremes at all. Those who think Trump wants dictatorial control comprise the majority of the party. Because that’s what he’s said he wants, and what his actions show he is willing to do.
It doesn’t make sense why intelligent people seem to think Trump won’t do what he’s said he would do.
She sounds like a grade A moron if she thinks that sane people’s opposition to Trump supporters is due to the Trump supporters’ “political views”. Just stupid beyond redemption.
Racism, intolerance, and selfishness are not political views. They are character flaws, which one is allowed to have, but one is not entitled to some kind of pass from anyone else.
“It’s just a political opinion” is the dumbest fucking excuse, perfectly apt for a moron who falls for a con man like Trump.
And her representation, United Talent Agency, drop Carano as a client. Because you know what? Film studios, talent agencies, and other actors and directors don’t want to be associated with someone who is a flagrant bigot or who is promulgating basic conspiracy theories on social media (at least, not unless they are a much bigger and more charismatic star). And this wasn’t a single careless thought or a first time issue; she’s been doing this for years.
Carano has the career she has now because the only people who want to work with her are from “a conservative film studio”. Cry me a fucking river.
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They think Biden has already stolen the election through voter fraud. So from their perspective, it’s one person that already subverted democracy, vs. someone else that’s speaking hypothetically. And they largely downplay the latter as bluster. Which isn’t entirely wrong, since Trump said a whole lot of bullshit in his first term that didn’t come to pass.
Of course, these same people said a lot of nonsense about Obama’s third term and the like which never came to pass, but most people don’t think much about when they’ve been wrong in the past.
Trump supporters don’t think much about how they’ve been wrong today.
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Nah, I would not give them credit for having been nationalist authoritarians all along as a movement. I believe a lot of what I’ll call “fashion libertarians” indeed had no true principle other than the liberty of the privileged to smoke their weed and pay no taxes. But a whole lot of others were/are committed Social Darwinists who assume they themselves and their culture are the “fittest”. Trump now shows up saying no holding back, I will stomp on whoever tries to push back on our privilege, and you don’t have to even act like a Christian. What’s not to love.
Yeah, Trump didn’t start this but he showed that you could be nakedly authoritarian and praise the “good people on both sides” and get plaudits for it, and if the talking heads on CNN.com want to dissect your intentions or the meaning of your 3 am shitter-twits, it’s all this more publicity. And that kind of bald self-interest is really appealing to imagine themselves with the same power.
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It doesn’t matter if Trump wants to be a dictator. If he is elected, he will have 90% of the federal bureaucracy against him. He won’t be able to sneeze without some whistleblower leaking it to the public, and any unconstitutional order would be shot down pronto.
If you believe that all it takes to wind up in a dictatorship in America is to elect the wrong guy, you don’t have nearly enough faith in the institutions. After all, Trump tried to overthrow the last election, and how did that work out for him?
Can someone who thinks there’s a chance that Trump will become a dictator explain exactly how that happens? What does he do, and how does he get away with it?
Don’t forget that even Republicans are split on Trump, and there are still a lot of traditional Republicans who care about the Constitution. Even if the Republicans had 60 seats in the Senate, there wouldn’t be enough MAGA Types to go along with a real attempt at a coup. And I stil don’t know how that happens even if they wanted to. Anything unconstitutional they did would instantly be appealed to the Supreme Court, and that court is full of constitutional originalists who will not support
He would try. He would appoint loyalists as acting cabinet members, so they wouldn’t need senate confirmation. His DoJ would prosecute his enemies, regardless of the evidence. He’d declare various emergencies against the inevitable demonstrations against his intentions for dictatorship. And he’d order the military, through his acting cabinet, and probably through handpicked generals, to violently put down these demonstrations.
Would they follow the orders? I don’t know. Would Trumpers rise up to support him with deadly force? I don’t know. Would Trump succeed? Probably not. Mass resignations and a refusal to follow unlawful orders might save us. But lots of people could get killed in the process, and lots more damage done to American democracy. And there’s a chance he could succeed in some way.
OMG I just feel over laughing.
Oh you sweet sweet baby…
There will be less of a chance for whistleblowers to be in place.
https://www.axios.com/2022/07/22/trump-2025-radical-plan-second-term
They intend to stack thousands of mid-level staff jobs. Well-funded groups are already developing lists of candidates selected often for their animus against the system — in line with Trump’s long-running obsession with draining “the swamp.” This includes building extensive databases of people vetted as being committed to Trump and his agenda.
The preparations are far more advanced and ambitious than previously reported. What is happening now is an inversion of the slapdash and virtually non-existent infrastructure surrounding Trump ahead of his 2017 presidential transition.
These groups are operating on multiple fronts: shaping policies, identifying top lieutenants, curating an alternative labor force of unprecedented scale, and preparing for legal challenges and defenses that might go before Trump-friendly judges, all the way to a 6-3 Supreme Court.
The centerpiece
Trump signed an executive order, “Creating Schedule F in the Excepted Service,” in October 2020, which established a new employment category for federal employees. It received wide media coverage for a short period, then was largely forgotten in the mayhem and aftermath of Jan. 6 — and quickly was rescinded by President Biden.
Sources close to Trump say that if he were elected to a second term, he would immediately reimpose it.
Tens of thousands of civil servants who serve in roles deemed to have some influence over policy would be reassigned as “Schedule F” employees. Upon reassignment, they would lose their employment protections.
New presidents typically get to replace more than 4,000 so-called “political” appointees to oversee the running of their administrations. But below this rotating layer of political appointees sits a mass of government workers who enjoy strong employment protections — and typically continue their service from one administration to the next, regardless of the president’s party affiliation.
An initial estimate by the Trump official who came up with Schedule F found it could apply to as many as 50,000 federal workers — a fraction of a workforce of more than 2 million, but a segment with a profound role in shaping American life.
Trump, in theory, could fire tens of thousands of career government officials with no recourse for appeals. He could replace them with people he believes are more loyal to him and to his “America First” agenda.
Even if Trump did not deploy Schedule F to this extent, the very fact that such power exists could create a significant chilling effect on government employees.
It would effectively upend the modern civil service, triggering a shock wave across the bureaucracy. The next president might then move to gut those pro-Trump ranks — and face the question of whether to replace them with her or his own loyalists, or revert to a traditional bureaucracy.
Yeah, I’m done trying to have a rational conversation when we’ve come to the “constitutional originalists” on the Supreme Court would hold a hypothetical President Trump to account even if a challenge were allowed to get that far.
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Why here you go:
But that’s just the start. After all, Trump will not be the only person seeking revenge. His administration will be filled with people with enemies’ lists of their own, a determined cadre of “vetted” officials who will see it as their sole, presidentially authorized mission to “root out” those in the government who cannot be trusted. Many will simply be fired, but others will be subject to career-destroying investigations. The Trump administration will be filled with people who will not need explicit instruction from Trump, any more than Hitler’s local gauleiters needed instruction. In such circumstances, people “work toward the Führer,” which is to say, they anticipate his desires and seek favor through acts they think will make him happy, thereby enhancing their own influence and power in the process.…
So, the Trump administration will have many avenues to persecute its enemies, real and perceived. Think of all the laws now on the books that give the federal government enormous power to surveil people for possible links to terrorism, a dangerously flexible term, not to mention all the usual opportunities to investigate people for alleged tax evasion or violation of foreign agent registration laws. The IRS under both parties has occasionally looked at depriving think tanks of their tax-exempt status because they espouse policies that align with the views of the political parties. What will happen to the think-tanker in a second Trump term who argues that the United States should ease pressure on China? Or the government official rash enough to commit such thoughts to official paper? It didn’t take more than that to ruin careers in the 1950s.…
A paralyzing psychology of appeasement has also been at work. At each stage, the price of stopping Trump has risen higher and higher. In 2016, the price was forgoing a shot at the White House. Once Trump was elected, the price of opposition, or even the absence of obsequious loyalty, became the end of one’s political career, as Jeff Flake, Bob Corker, Paul D. Ryan and many others discovered. By 2020, the price had risen again. As Mitt Romney recounts in McKay Coppins’s recent biography, Republican members of Congress contemplating voting for Trump’s impeachment and conviction feared for their physical safety and that of their families. There is no reason that fear should be any less today. But wait until Trump returns to power and the price of opposing him becomes persecution, the loss of property and possibly the loss of freedom. Will those who balked at resisting Trump when the risk was merely political oblivion suddenly discover their courage when the cost might be the ruin of oneself and one’s family?
We are closer to that point today than we have ever been, yet we continue to drift toward dictatorship, still hoping for some intervention that will allow us to escape the consequences of our collective cowardice, our complacent, willful ignorance and, above all, our lack of any deep commitment to liberal democracy. As the man said, we are going out not with a bang but a whimper.
That’s Franz Joseph Hermann Michael Maria von Papen to you.
I wondered how von Papen got dragged into this, but yeah, if he was around today looking for someone powerful to ingratiate himself with, he’d settle on Trump, if polling continued to be favorable.
Trump is a movement not single man. It wouldn’t be a single man overturning democracy, it would be a movement. A movement that of millions with thousands in key government positions that believes at it’s very core that the survival of the Christian white race is on the line. They’ll do anything to to protect that, including destroying whatever form of government they feel is a threat.
The GOP isn’t even waiting for Trump to get elected. A Republican Senator has called for an investigation into Robert Kagan’s articles about a Trump dictatorship.
Remember when J.D. Vance was going to be the Republican bulwark against the encroachment of Trump? Ah, good times…
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Yeah, like every one in Trump’s circle, he’s become a pathetic joke with no dignity.