Writers (or books) you Just...Don't...Get.

Read Homer’s Odyssey for some English class, and I mainly remember yawning and seeing how often he wrote about spears going through nipples.

I couldn’t get into reading the Bible because the authors just seemed to be so blasé about all the rapes, killings, beheadings and so forth.

I couldn’t get into Dune at all. None of the characters were descript enough for me to remember who they were, and there was an awful lot of inward thinking, especially between lines of conversations, so that I couldn’t keep track of who was saying/thinking which. Attempted it 3 times, and the furthest I got was about a third of the book. The movies had cool sand worms though.

Count me in on both Hemingway and Hardy. The last question of my final paper in my last day as a BA student, I had to discuss Sexuality in The Sun Also Rises. I was exhausted, annoyed, fed-up after three weeks of final examinations, it was a sunny day, I wanted to be down the pub, and all that was standing in my way was Hemingway. My opening line was “Has there been any other writer in the history of Literature who has thought they were so completely @!*king butch, and in such a misguided fashion…” I cursed. I used exclamation points and underlining to punctuate my more outraged arguments; then sat back, figured I’d probably fail, shrugged and walked out of the hall as at least it had been fun. I got the highest exam mark a student taking that course had ever achieved and had tutors coming up to pat me on the back as my paper had been doing the rounds of the faculty lounge. When I had a drink with my old professor a few years ago, he was still talking about it. Apparently my candour had been ‘refreshing’.

I have tried to understand the appeal of Wuthering Heights. But I loathe and detest the miserable thing and it has been a set text in every single course of my college career. I’ve never made it through the entire book without tossing it across the room in disgust at some point. Having said that, Olivier in britches as Heathcliff is another matter entirely.

Andrew Marvell gives me the oogies, as there’s something about the way he expresses himself that makes my skin crawl. For example, To His Coy Mistress and its message of “you want to be a virgin your whole life until you die, rather than give the mini-marvster a piece?? One word for ya - MAGGOTS.” Blech.

Tom Stoppard - there’s something so self-conciously ‘clever’ about his work; it feels somehow soulless to me, which I know is a statement about the priggish middle-classes, their hang-ups and pretentions etc blah blah blah. Knowing all this, I still find him teeth-grindingly awful.

There’s really too many to mention. But the main one, the biggie and the one people (including my father who owns a first edition) find most contentious, is Tolkien. Yes, I can understand the achievement of creating such a cohesive world. Yes, LOTR is a great story. Yes, the level of detail is stunning and I am aware it spawned an entire genre. But he was not a great writer! Storyteller, maybe - but the text is dense, muddled, over-romanticised and sentimental, sprawling and messy… I can’t get through it, it feels like an unedited first draft and is another ‘toss-across-the-room’ job for me.
Ok, now I feel like I shouted out ‘F!*K JESUS’ in church or something.

Another vote for On the Road. Didn’t hate it, but didn’t come away with a whole lot, either. Wrong perspective, I guess.

Poetry. It just doesn’t move me in any way, shape or form, short of comedy. I try not to disparage poetry, as I know so many are into writing and reading it. For me, it’s just something that happens to other people.

Thomas Hardy. Hated him in high school, might be worth another chance.

The Odyssey was ok, but The Illiad bored me to tears.
Banana Yoshimoto. When I was studying Japanese just after college, everyone was raving about this new hip author from Japan who was so fantastic and I had to read her work. Nothing. I just could not summon any interest in the story whatsoever. Oddly, of all the foreigners in Japan that I’ve asked, none of them have liked her work, either.

Another vote for On the Road. Didn’t hate it, but didn’t come away with a whole lot, either. Wrong perspective, I guess.

Poetry. It just doesn’t move me in any way, shape or form, short of comedy. I try not to disparage poetry, as I know so many are into writing and reading it. For me, it’s just something that happens to other people.

Thomas Hardy. Hated him in high school, might be worth another chance.

The Odyssey was ok, but The Illiad bored me to tears.
Banana Yoshimoto. When I was studying Japanese just after college, everyone was raving about this new hip author from Japan who was so fantastic and I had to read her work. Nothing. I just could not summon any interest in the story whatsoever. Oddly, of all the foreigners in Japan that I’ve asked, none of them have liked her work, either.

The Great Gatsby.

Sure, it’s masterfully written. The prose is perfect, the word choice is impeccable, the dialogue natural, the descriptions of both people and places almost photographic. Technically, it’s flawless. I wouldn’t change a thing.

But the plot! It’s depressing, pointless, and cruel. The ending is unsatisfactory. The characters are annoying and without ethics. I couldn’t bring myself to like any of them. The whole book is just one big depressing fable with the moral, “Life sucks, and you can’t do anything about it.”

I hate that book. I still think modern critics have confused technical greatness with overall greatness. Just because it’s well-written doesn’t mean it’s a great work.

hehe, I guess that’s why we have so many authors out there; not a single one speaks to everybody. John Irving is my favorite author, though I haven’t read Owen Meaney or Cider House Rules. My favorite novel is The Hotel New Hampshire; I would read that before giving up on Irving entirely. Also, some folks I know prefer The World According to Garp, so pick your poison. John does have issues with women and sex, but that’s part of what makes him interesting; and at least he varies those issues somewhat from novel to novel. And he seems to like bears :slight_smile:

My vote for this list would be The Great Gatsby (which a lot of people love, I know). For some reason, I just did not feel anything for any of the characters or the situations; it had some decent elements, and was not badly written, yet it somehow fell flat.

  • Wind

Doh! Loopus you beat me by 6 minutes, how dare you! :eek:

Hehe, I agree with you (obviously), though I do think that what people find “satisfying” varies greatly from person to person.

That’s why I see many of the same novels and authors in this topic as I do in the “Greatest novels of all time” or similar topics. Hemingway seems to be a very contentious one…

  • Wind

I’ve only read Arcadia (and watched it, too), but I didn’t really mind Stoppard’s style all that much. It may be pretentious, but I found it creative and at times very beautiful (one can say contrived, but contrived beauty is still beauty ;)).

About Tolkien, I agree with you; the writing is too concerned with creating a world and too unconcerned with readability. But I still love Tolkien, and I love the fantasy genre that he spawned. He just went overboard with name-dropping (it felt like the Bible at times), and melodrama was certainly very much present (though this may be due to the Arthurian influences on his style… ever read Mallory?). I forgave Tolkien for these things, but I guess you didn’t :slight_smile:

  • Wind

Yet another vote for On the Road. I think it was an exciting and amazing story… if told by a friend over lunch, NOT in a full-length book. Though I dug the few passages about jazz.

As far as Tom Robbins, I liked Jitterbug Perfume very much after I got passed the first 50 pages or so and got an idea what was going on. Then went on to Still Life With Woodpecker and hated it. Nothing happened for about 150 pages. He has some great lines and can be very clever, but he seems to love to be complex for the sake of complexity.

I remember trying to read Miller’s Tropic of cancer and I just couldn’t get into it in the least. It just seemed like a whole bunch of stream of conciousness rambling. So that’s my main contribution to the thread, because I believe it’s considered a classic (in some circles at least), but if so it sure whooshed me.

Log me as a Hemingway disliker… that is until a few years ago when I had an experience (which I won’t go into) that had the sensations he was always writing about and which I thought were on another planet. With him, it’s a matter of having lived through some rather shocking things, such as the Spanish Civil War, I’m guessing.

I’d agree, Windwalker that Tom Stoppard tries to be a little too clever. I acted a scene of his once. It seemed like a stylized encounter rather than a real one.

Having just now finished LoTR for the umpteenth time, I’d agree there are a whole range of oddities in his delivery. In particular, I’ve felt the first volume was better written than the others. The long, drawn-out ending encountering Saruman on the road is like some sort of waking dream. On the other hoof, there’s really nothing like it, so it has to be judged to a large extent on its merits, not its lack of conformity to a standard storytelling mode. Ever read something like “Peers the Plowman”, taken to be great entertainment ages ago? Tolkien is mesmorizing in comparison. And he was trying to be anachronistic…
DarkWriter, that’s an interesting (and odd) comment about Lovecraft. Were you reading his stories, or one of the spinoffs by somebody else? What struck you as being a technical manual? It’s too predictable? The buildup is too obvious?

As far as books/writers already mentioned: I thought Hemingway was okay, based on the one book I read by “Papa”. And I kinda enjoyed Keroauc’s On the Road. I’ve only read one Vonnegut, but I liked Slauterhouse Five. But I am not down with The Great Gatsby.

And I know I am committing blasphemy to some, but count me as a person for whom, The Catcher in the Rye just didn’t click.

Well that’s it. You’re burning in hell ;j

Seriously, you’re the first person I know to dislike that book. The strongest negative comment I’ve heard or read about it was along the lines of “It was pretty good but nothing special”. Feel free to explain your view, cuz I would love to know.

  • Wind

I had to read both The Great Gatsby and Catcher in the Rye for senior year and compare them. I liked Catcher In The Rye much more.

I can’t stand Herman Hesse’s Siddharta. The style bores me and I see it as condescending, but I’m willing to admit it was just a translation problem.

I don’t like Hemingway’s style for novels, but it works better for short stories. I’ve read some of his short stories and liked them much more than The Old Man And The Sea.

Henry James…I read two of his novels (Turn Of The Screw, Daisy Miller ), one of those for school. I still don’t understand what the hell is going on in TOST, and with DM, the class agreed Daisy Miller was a flirtatious girl with no redeeming quality and an ever-changing mind.

For poets, I don’t like Walt Whitman or T.S. Eliot. My opinion is that they shouldn’t present Walt as the All-American poet, which is the way it was presented to me. Really…I read that and for a while thought “This is impossible, this cannot be the best (not even close) of what U.S. poets have to offer!” Then I read Langston Hughes, Robert Frost, and e.e. cummings, and felt better.

Really, I’ve tried so many times, repeating “Think of the story, think of the STORY!” under my breath and it just doesn’t work. I’ve worked my way through some lengthy, unreadable texts in my time and wish Tolkien inspired the same kind of excitement in me that it does in others; that would be fantastic, I truly want to be able to see what I’m missing! I can intellectually understand his strengths but still can’t reap benefit enough from Tolkien’s works to render them readable. And I even kinda liked Le Morte D’Arthur.

I guess we’re at opposite ends of the scale; I love The Great Gatsby, it has a permanent place in my top five books to recommend. For me, it’s beautiful, almost painfully touching in parts. It manages humane subtlety and depth even moving through a world where the characters are cyphers - all these little tonal inflections which imbue such sorrow and longing for something different or something desired. It’s fresh to me on each reading, and I find it captivating.

Amazing. I liked the book quite a lot myself, but I’ve met at least two dozen people with a vehement distaste for it. A lot of the complaints I’ve heard were just general distaste for the protagonist, Holden. People just couldn’t sympathize with the character or just found him annoying. Other people have complained that the book is sophomoric and simplistic. I do think you have to be in a certain state of mind - you know, that adolescent, coming to terms with the phoniness of the adult world state of mind - to really get it and appreciate it. It also seems to help if you’re male, as the bulk of the people that I know who hate this book are female. I haven’t read it in years, and I’d be curious whether I’d find it as amazing to read as I did the first few times I’d read it.

Do a search in the archives. I’m fairly certain there’s been lively discussion about this book before.

Here’s the thread for you, Windwalker.

I must add, I haven’t been able to wade through Tolkien, either. I enjoyed the Hobbit all the way throught, but halfway through the first part of LoTR and, I’m sorry, I just can’t be bothered. My favorite parts are looking at the funky languages Tolkien made up, rather than what exactly is going on with Frodo or Bimbo or whatever their names are.

Another vote here for The Catcher in the Rye. Why the hell this is such an important novel to people is beyond me. I also didn’t understand the big deal about Herman Hesse when I was in High School, especially Siddhartha, which isn’t about Siddhartha Gautama, or at least isn’t his story as normally presented.

For some reason, Richard Bach’s Jonathan Livingstone Seagull was immensely popular at the same time. My scholarship provider even felt they had to give me a copy. This one hasan’t stood the test of time – JLS was made into an atrocious movie, and no one reads it today.

I loved Catcher in the Rye and Raise High the Roofbeam, Carpenter, as well as the nine short stories. I dunno…different strokes, eh? And I love John Steinbeck. He really did it for me. Also put me in the column that just doesn’t get poetry. I’ve tried, man…I have tried. I just don’t get it.

I also have to agree about Henry James. As I’ve mentioned on another thread, his The Beast in the Jungle is one of the most boring books I ever read. The whole point of the book (despite the title) is that nothing happens . But it takes so damned long not to happen! (It’s like Dave Barry said about the Terry Jacks song * Seasons in the Sun* – “it’s about someone dying, but not fast enough,”)

James’ The Turn of the Screw has to be the most boring ghopst story ever written. How can you screw up a ghost story?
One of my writing class professors rhapsodized about the ending of a Henry James story, about how he could see the three themes coming slowly together at one magnificent apex. But I just can’t get into him at all. Yet I love Lovecraft, who also wrote in a polysyllabic, multi-phrased, complex-sentenced 19th century style, who deliberately telegraphed his endings so you could anticipate it. I watch Lovecraft stories coming to that magnificent apex, and I love it. I re-reard them over and over. Why? It’s not just the addition of horror elements. If Henry James threw in the occasional octopoid-headed monstrosity and a few “eldritch” and “batracian” references, he’d still be boring.

For the record, I love Steinbeck and Mark Twain. Especially Twain. I find Hemingway readable. De gustibus…

I’ve had some problems getting into Philip Roth. For some reason, and maybe it was just Sabbath’s Theater, the words just kind of slid off my brain and dripped away. I’ve picked up other books to look over and the same thing happened a few pages in. If anyone wants to try to convince me I should give it another go, or suggest anything else by Roth, please feel free.
I also found On the Road kind of dull. I liked Kerouac’s Lonesome Traveler better.
I was also disappointed in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. Maybe I was expecting too much out of it, but I’d heard so much buildup the experience was ultimately blah.