wtc - wtf: Part II (long)

A B-25, actually.

The debris from the WTC site and surrounding buildings was trucked to the Fresh Kills land fill on Staten Island, where every single darned piece was hand- examined.

Nothing was secretly shipped overseas.

What a crock… :rolleyes:

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Don’t let the facts get in the way of your outrage. According to AndrewL’s link, the debris was, in fact, hauled off, examined by a bunch of folks and shiped elsewhere for scrap after a few months. Not much of a secret.

I couldn’t tell English was your 2nd language. In fact, I would go so far as to say you understand American English better than many Americans. If you have problems spelling its because English is not written with strict phonetic rules. I wish I could speak a 2nd language half as well as you do.

I am very sorry, but this just made my day.
Facts in JFK? Bwahaahaahaa !!
I think I saw one : JFK died.
The rest is just plain lies and falsified data.

My younger brother used to say,

BTW : if you need a good conspiracy theory, you need one that isn’t so easily debunked.
What about this one : the US government was fully aware that this attack was imminent, but did nothing to prevent it, so they could start the War on Terror, the Patriot Act and ultimately the invasion of Iraq.

There is almost no way to disprove it, so it is a much better conspiracy theory.
(Of course you would have to assume that the government is much more capable then they appear to be in keeping secrets). :smiley:

That’s what’s known as the “LIHOP” theory in conspiracy circles. “Let It Happen On Purpose.” as opposed to MIHOP, “Made It Happen On Purpose.”

In the world of the conspiracy believers, there aren’t many LIHOPs. I own the web site that is the source of one of the major 9/11 Conspiracy debunking pieces, so I’ve seen a lot of theories floating around, and most of them conflict with each other.

The Pentagon explosion was due to a bomb, or a missile, and the 757 didn’t exist at all, or was a hologram, or simply made a low pass of the Pentagon, or maybe it really did crash, and all the people who say it didn’t are government disinformation agents trying to discredit the movement.

Flight 93 was shot down by the government, or maybe it landed in Cleveland and the passengers were disposed of, and the crater in Pennsylvania was made with explosives.

The two planes that hit the towers were military 767 tankers, or maybe they were holograms, or commercial planes outfitted with missiles.

I’ve seen all these proposed by the nutbars, but the one thing they all agree on is that the Twin Towers were taken down as a “controlled demolition.” Exactly how is not agreed on. I’ve seen conventional explosives on every floor, thermite to sever the columns, hydrogen (fusion) bombs, and directed-energy weapons somehow credited to Tesla. No kidding. And they pretty much all agree that the government MADE it happen.

msmith357 , thanks for continuing fighting my ignorance. Much appreciated. Especially regarding the ESB comparison, which the movie made a deal of.

Also, thanks mcgiver, nice of you to let me know.

In particular, regarding the planes involved:

The B-25 had a typical “loaded” weight of around 35,000 pounds. The particular plane that hit the ESB was near the end of a ferry run, not carrying ammunition or bombs, with only a partial crew, and nearly out of fuel. (Not dangerously low, but typical low amount for the end of a flight.)

The Boeing 767 has (depending on the model) a loaded weight between 380,000 and 450,000 pounds. Most models have a maximum fuel capacity of 23,800 gallons (U.S.). Assuming the tanks were filled only with 20,000 gallons and that they had burned 10% of their fuel (both are conservatively unlikely, but that will help me make my point), they would still have had 18,000 gallons of fuel aboard weighing well over 140,000 pounds–the weight of only the fuel in the WTC crashes was at minumum four and one half times the weight of the entire airplane with fuel in the ESB crash.