Disclaimer
This is a long post, but since I’ve recently been mocked by fellow dopers for grammatical errors I’ve made in other posts, I would like to start out by announcing that English is not my first language, and although I try not to, I will probably commit such errors in this post too. If that is disturbing to you, please stop reading now.
Background to this post
I wrote a post about this the other day. By chance, I downloaded a movie from Google Video called “911 Cover Up”. In short, it’s a conspiracy theory regarding the terrorist attacks. What didn’t catch my interest, was the conspiracy as such, but the facts presented in the movie. The movie is very well made, not a nut head’s ramblings, but made by professionals and, as far as one can judge, well researched.
I wrote a post about this the other day. And what I was interested in was whether anybody had seen the movie and what they thought about it, whether the movie has ever been aired, if these topics was an issue of debate in the USA, and if there were serious sites about the facts in the movie.
(Note, by the was, that by “facts”, I do not mean that I considers it as undesputable facts, but rather that the persons behind the “911 Cover Up” presents it as facts.)
The reaction I got was understandable: Why don’t you tell us about the movie and then let us comment about it. And others started a brief debate about the 9/11 as a conspiracy, and my post was moved and so forth.
I see now that I had my post as written rather stillborn, and so I go Great Debates instead, because if it catches fire, it will probably end up here anyways.
Wakinyan and Conspiracy Therories
I’m not here to debate whether it is a conspiracy or not, because to me, the conspiracies (as in this case, or the Garrison’s JFK case for instance) are just too big and too complex to be believable. But conspiracy theorists might also stumble upon interesting facts during their investigations, which might be worth shedding light on.
In other words, if you like to debate with me, there’s no point you try to convince me that the conspiracy theory is just too big and too complex to believe. As a matter of fact, I don’t really have a standpoint here to argue against, as far as I know. That’s why I wrote my original post in General Questions.
Wakinyan and facts put forward by the Conspiracy Theorists
Watching the movie I found that some of the points and some of the (alleged) facts presented, were highly interesting, because since I first followed the development on TV 9/11 2001, there has been three things that’s disturbing me: How come the twin towers went down like that due to a seemingly not too intense fire on the higher floors; how come a jumbo jet made such a neat hole in the Pentagon; and why were there never any footage of the Flight 98 aircraft in Pennsylvania.
Now you might believe that I’ve been searching for facts ever since. Not so. Not at all. Haven’t thought much about it. I’ve seen a French documentary on TV, and a program on Discovery about why the twin towers collapsed, and that’s just about it. – As I said, I downloaded this movie on a hunch because I browsed around on the newly found web site Google Video and wanted something to watch.
But I got caught, and I want to discuss it.
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“911 Cover Up”**
Now, on request, what is the movie about? What are they saying? – It’s more than an hour long, and they’re saying a lot. It’s almost like Oliver Stone’s JFK: loads of facts (or “facts”, I don’t know), difficult to sum up, especially if you don’t have the appropriate background knowledge of the events.
But I watched it again, and took some notes, and in the following I will tell you some of it (though the length of the post, I can’t cover the whole movie). I encourage you to watch it, judge for yourself, and come back with your points of view. That’d be interesting.
911 Cover Up – Background
The movie starts out with a history lesson of planned actions to justify a war on Cuba, rejected by McNamara, involving, among other things, shooting down a passenger plane – actually a “drone” – above Cuban waters; continuing with NASA using unmanned jumbo jet for testing; US Air Force developing unmanned fighters, and so forth.
This historical background gets closer and closer to 9/11 2001, and the narrator shifts focus to politicians active today, for instance mentions a paper written by Cheney, Rumsfelt, Jeb Bush and others, called “Rebuilding America’s Defense”, in which they forsee a dramatic change which might be caused by an incident, as important as the Pearl Harbor bombing; about the military practicing for the event of an airplane crashing into Pentagon, FEMA:s manual for anti terrorism featuring a picture of the twin towers, Willie Brown being adviced by Condolezza Rice not to use regular flight just now, and so on and so forth.
Note that these things are always followed by pictures, footage of articles, sources, etc. This is true for the entire film (not making the film true, of course).
911 Cover Up – The disappearing aircraft at Pentagon
The jumbo jet Boeing 757 that hit Pentagon hit several light post before slamming into the building. Footage. The narrator compares with another jumbo jet hitting a lamp post, and while the documentet incident of this happening, shows the wing tearing apart and the plane crashing, the one crashing into Pentagon hit several without losing any wings or getting off course.
After the crash, we see no tail section, no wings, just about nothing but little debris here and there.
The official explation to this, is that the jumbo jet was vaporized by the heat. The narrator says (and shows), that that’s simply impossible, and nothing of the kind has ever happened to an aircraft before.
Footage by CNN (of which there are numerous) from the day let us know: “There’s no engines, no tail section, no nothing.”
The engines made of steel and titan, weighting 6 tonnes each, are gone. There is one engine part captured on picture outside the building – but according to manufacturer Rolls Royce (cite, etc, all there), it’s not from an Boeing 757, and it’s also pretty small.
The hole in the Pentagon – in a wall which by the way had recently been reinforced – is “inconsistent with the impact of an Boeing 747”. There’s no trace of the wings or its engines or anything, hitting the wall too, and there’s also a hole on the other side of the building, as if the aircraft had gone through 9 ft of reinforced concrete like pole, but without leaving any debris. Witnesses working at the Pentagon at the time, says that they saw no debris of the plane.
Witnesses at the Pentagon also talks about the blast, as if it came from an explosion, throwing people tens of feet away, and about the smell of cordite, which smells nothing like jet fuel, and is used in explosives.
There’s no footage of the actual plane, even though it should have been captured by three or four different surveillance cameras. The film, of course, was confiscated by the FBI, and what has been relaeased is only five frames which doesn’s show a jumbo jet.
We see Fox footage, where the reporter is talking about “the second explosion at the Pentagon”.
911 Cover Up – Building 7
According to the narrator, Building 7 is 300 ft away from the twin towers, and where among others, CIA and IRS had offices. Even though seismological experts says the collapse of the twin towers didn’t cause any noticable ground shaking, the building collapsed “into a neat pile” the evening on 9/11. The official version of course, is that the collapse of the twin towers caused the Building 7 to collapse.
911 Cover Up – The Twin Towers
According to the narrator, there’s no way the twin towers went down due to the fire. Nothing like that has ever happened before, and we hear of and see several other skyscrapers burning more intensly for up to 24 h without collapsing, while the Twin Towers collapsed after less than an hour without too intense fire – most of the fuel according to footage, exploded on impact, outside the building.
The towers were made of reinforced concrete and steel, and the steel was specifically made to withstand fire more intense than what could have been the case in the twin towers. And even if the steel would bend, the towers shouldn’t have collapsed, according to this theory.
Also, the towers were collapsing at the speed of a free fall, and here comes an orgy in witnesses – not at least several firemen at site and one police man – stating that there were explosions in the building before it went down, as if subsequent explosions made it go, rather than the fire and heat.
We get comparisons with demolishing of buildings, the similarity is striking in the sounds before the buildings goes down, the way they goes down, and so forth.
Experts (all with names and titles) says there is no way the towers could have collapsed due to the fire, and there is actually a fireman at the floors where the fire is supposed to have been the most intense, talking with collegues by radio, which shouldn’t have been possible if the fire was so intense, of course.
News reporters (CNN, CBS, NBC) at site talks about “the explosions”, and how the towers went down as if it has been brought down by demolitions teams.
Firemen at site and at 9/11 talks about “another bomb”, fearing yet another one. Firemen talks about how the ground floor was as blown out when they got there, “as if a bomb had gone off”, and describes the subsequent explosions as “bom! bom! bom! as if they had detonators!”
Firemen stating later: “We think there were bombs in the building.”
Talk about “a number of brief light sources being emitted from inside the building [and] of cracking sound before the tower collapsed.”
Witness working in the basement talks about hearing several explosions above in the building. Saying that it could not have been gas containers, because it is highly unlikely that they store gas containers in a building like this.
911 Cover Up – Who put the bombs there
“Numerous unannounced and unusual drills where sections of both the twin towers and the building 7 were evacuated for ‘security reasons’” (cite provided), and bomb dogs being removed, and so forth.
911 Cover Up – The Crime Scene
The debris after the towers were according to the narrator shipped overseas for recycling; not even FEMA were allowed to investigate it.
911 Cover Up – Flight 93
This section is focusing on two things: The lack of an airplane, and whatever really happened to Flight 93? The last question gets too complicated to summarize, but it was taken down due to bomb threat and perhaps replaced by another plane, etc.
A crash site reporter in Pennsylvania states in short, that there were no plane there. Fox and other news teams at site witness of “no debris”, “nothing [of a jumbo jet] you can distinguish”. Washington Post: “It looked like someone took a scrap book, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped trash into it.” – “Only dirt and ash.” Coroner: “There were no bodies there”, and so forth.
Movie: Compares with other crash sites: Large chunks of airoplane everywhere.
911 Cover Up – The Black Boxes
Some officials says the black boxes were never recovered, which is very unusual, to say the least, and other officials says the black boxes were in fact recovered, but the audio tapes didn’t reveal anything.
911 Cover Up – The Cell Phone Calls
According to film, only a few (and strange) cell phone calls are recorded and realeased. One flight attendant sounds very calm and a bit absent-minded while saying that some has been killed, you can’t breathe in business class, etc, and a man saying: “Hi Mom, this is Mark Bingham”, etc.
Point is, according to movie, those calls are fake. One couldn’t most likely have gotten a signal from that altitute, according experts, etc.
911 Cover Up – The Hijackers
About half of the named and supposedly dead hijackers are according to BBC and other sources alive and well in different parts of the world; programmers in Saudi Arabia, and so forth.
911 Cover Up – Usama bin Laden
Usama bin Laden said a few days after 9/11 that he had nothing to do with it; also he was in US military hospital shortly before the incident (if I remember correctly) and had contact with US officials when 9/11 happened.
A tape has been revealed where Usama bin Laden is confessing that he in fact was the man behind it all, but on that tape he is writing a note with his right hand although he is left handed, looks a little different than in other footage of him, wears a gold ring, which arabs following the same faith he does, won’t do, etc.
Alright, that’s the movie in short. Sorry for the length. Thanks for taking time if you read it.
Anybody interested in debating the factuality of the points put forward? For instance:
- The disappearing airplane at the Pentagon? – Did it disappear? How?
- The collapse of Building 7? – Why did it collapse? Would it have been expected?
- The ‘free fall’ collapse of the Twin Towers? – Likelyhood?
- The disappearing Flight 98? – Where are the tail section etc?
