Okey dokey.
Well we won’t need a dozen then.
Correct, changing the usertitle was pretty much low priority since it must be done manually. I think I have done it this morning.
It should be noted that Otto had chalked up lots of warnings, many for repeated offenses, and that when he comes back, we will certainly be expecting good behavior.
I also want to comment that, if ever anyone feels they have been unfairly suspended or banned, the way to complain is via email. We have reversed such decisions in response to civil, rational, polite argument. On t’other hand, coming back as a sock to complain is sure evidence to the Staff that the banning was correct and should be permanent.
So Frank is being a management hack as well? What a surprise.
If he should have been banned a long time ago, why wasn’t he? And why was he this time? In my view he was hardly a jerk- and there seems to be 11 pages of comments to support that.
Can you honestly say- with your hand on your heart- that this is not linked to his comments in the thread about Ed being hypocritical?
Whose honor are we defending? I have none – if we were walking away from each other to ten paces to then turn and shoot, I would turn and shoot at five. I like having an edge.
Unless the unicorns are the magical variety that poop delicious chocolate candy, I don’t want one.
Damn, I had no idea you were so cruel.
No she had just shut down and went to bed-she has a wicked cold. It’s kinda hard to comment when you’re not online, did you realize that? :dubious:
MY concerns are more along the lines of-what is going to be done about the way the mods/admins treat members. Waving away suggestions, disdain for concerns, the “like it or lump it” attitudes. (For the most part, I will say, our mods are pretty cool, but the over all attitude when it comes to board services, at least by the top, is pretty unimpressive)
I’ll wait and see what happens before I actually believe Ed’s appology is worth anything. Actions vs. words and all that.
I think that we should give Ed the benefit of the doubt. With the exception of the Otto ban, I haven’t seen him be unreasonable. I think he had a bad day, and for all we know there are things going on behind the scenes with Creative Loafing that we aren’t privy too. If I were Ed, I would be a bit pissed about the way everyone was jumping down his throat with the Barn House. Even if you are interested in the subject matter, why begrudge Cecil’s alter ego, a little bit of good press and a place to promote his wares?
I’ll be happy when the election is over and everyone can just relax a little.
Oh my fucking god, it’s going to be like this around here till November? :eek:
First probably another minor board glitch, but your little green light was still lit for quite a while after people barked back at you. It use to be that 20 minutes was long enough for the light to go off. However, you are correct and my mistake.
**Ed **not only apologized, he reversed the bannings and explained more of what is going on and planned for the future. Beside he was correct about the posters giving **Jerry **a ration of shit and insulting him elsewhere. That was and is bullshit. Hell, **Ed **took way too much heat over adding a forum to cross-promote his book and the dope.
The fact he found an excellent compromise over the Barn House is good, but he could have just told the complainers to STFU then and he did not. I would call that responsive. I also think in the end, it was the right move to compromise and appease the whiners for the good of the board. Smart of **Ed **to do that, don’t you think?
As to Otto’s summary banning, it looked rash and had no real explanation other than **Otto **picked the wrong time and place to be a little jerkish. Considering the ration of shit **Otto **had given **Ed Zotti **and the prior warnings, a well handled suspension would not have raised the hue and cry from so many diverse and in many cases normally supportive posters.
In seven hours **Ed ** either had cooled down and decided it was too harsh of a punishment or at least heard the pleas that asked him to reconsider even if he felt he was right as the way it happened was very bad for the board.
Now I apologize for the “strangely quiet” remark. That was stupid of me.
I do not apologize about the “What a chicken shit little jackal she is sometimes.” I stand by that comment. You come off just that way in the pit way too often. Maybe you already know, but I don’t think it hurts to let you know how you are seen by some other posters. Your statement following a long apology by Ed was shitty and it looked like you just wanted to keep bitching.
I guess you were tired and sick last night, so maybe in the calm of the morning, you wish you rephrased the post that garnered the negative reaction. If so, I am glad, if not, I still think you are wrong.
Jim
I probably was a little TOO snarky last night, you do have a point there. (As others have said-it’s just a message board.) However, I still am going to wait and see what happens. I’m too much of a cynic.
(Anyone got any pliers-I want to yank out my mucus membranes?)
Sorry I took so long to get back to this. Someone from Comcast apparently fixed a neighbor’s cable Monday and messed up ours in the process and they can’t come back until tomorrow afternoon. I see Ed has come to his senses while I was out.
“No Joke Threads in the Pit” was established around November of 2003. IIRC, two people were banned for not heeding the rule but Lynn shortly changed the bannings to suspensions. The one I was able to find (Esprix) was not banned but rather suspended for a week.
Threads that old apparently have not been indexed. I was only able to find it because it was linked in a newer thread that came up.
Well, I picked the wrong day to be Away From Keyboard! I agree that a suspension is probably better than being banned in this case, but there is not doubt in my mind that Otto was throwing in a criticism of the staff, not an innocent question as some people seem to think. I have only to remember [post=10150766]this recent post[/post] (post # 53 in the thead) as an example of the kind of comments by Otto that make me think that. I appreciate Ed Zotti’s explanation, while fully realizing that for a small group of malcontents, nothing will be sufficient other than a mass resignation of all the staff, Ed Zotti committing seppuku, and the Chicago Reader making them administrators of the board.
I appreciate that Ed Zotti reconsidered his hasty action, but I don’t know if I would have done anything different than him when I see the abuse that was heaped upon him, when, horror of horrors, he decided to use the message board he administers to create a forum related to a book he wrote. Which actually reminds me of something that happened to me recently. I know you are all on tenterhooks so allow me to share.
I went to a local persian restaurant recently where the owner had a poster featuring an album that his son recently made, and was even selling the album in the restaurant! I was about to insult him and then demand that, if he had advertisement in his place of business, than I, as a patron, should of course also have the right to advertise my own personal ventures; furthermore, it was extremely tacky of him to advertise non-related food items in the first place, and didn’t he realize that, as his customer, I had the right to tell him to go fuck himself; and thirdly, he was a jerk and I would never come there again, but he still needed to take the poster down to appease me.
Actually, I was about to say all that, but I came to my senses and happily ate my good meal without buying the album (Persian pop music not being something that appeals to me.) I might even go there again!
The shit people have been giving Jerry is totally unwarranted. Typical, (No, not of here, it’s just an IT thing) but unwarranted.
It’s part of life in IT.
Arnold Winkelried
In these conciliatory times, I hesitate to go over old ground again…but
It’s not quite as cut and dried as your post suggests. Your facts are correct, but there was a lot communication and attitude problems that exacerbated the situation.
Also, the Persian restaurant (yum) isn’t a totally accurate analogy. A message board (well, this messsage board) is something that its members feel very proprietorial about. Whether they are right to - bearing in mind that this is a commercial operation - is another matter. But when dealing with the customers, taking this in to account would be helpful for everyone concerned.
But let me say again: I am very happy that some sort of equilibrium has returned.
That might be an apt analogy were you to acknowledge that this particular metaphorical restaurant we’re virtually standing in right now would probably be serving nothing but appetizers were the patrons not here, as we’re cooking about 90% of the food on the menu.
Yeah! And if it weren’t for us, we’d all be speaking German!
I speak a little German.
And people don’t feel propietorial about restaurants? I should recount to you the indigantion amongst my circle of friends when a local hole-in-the-wall italian restaurant changed its menu, removing several items that were highly popular amongst said group of friends, and replacing them with worthless “yuppy” food (to quote those same friends.)
If the patrons were absent from that persian restaurant, then it would be a dreary place indeed. And if the patrons were a bunch of winos and rude and belligerent people, instead of highly sophisticated, witty and good-looking persons such as me and my friends, then the restaurateur would suffer also. It is I and my companions that help make this restaurant what it is. The owner should be grateful to me for favouring him with my patronage. Indeed, I thought that the server was insufficiently obsequious.