How long after the fire department arrived did the dogs and cat die?
As has been stated in this thread several times, the last time there was a fire, the fire department put it out even though he had not paid the $75. And again as has been stated several times, he never paid the $75. Now since the chief of the department says that there is a $500 charge to roll the equipment, and Mr. Shit for Brains stiffed them on the $75, I think it only logical that he stiffed them on the $500. $75+$500=$575.
I may be cold hearted, but I’m hardly the ignorant one here.
Did you know Cranick did this before?
If he didn’t have fire protection, why did he have animals in the house? Don’t you think it’s a tad irresponsible. If he hadn’t bought them food, they’d have died. Shouldn’t someone make sure he has food for the animals he can’t care for? As far as I’m concerned, the house was unfit to live in.
Are you sure?
And was anyone else there? Why didn’t anyone else get the dogs out? You said the neighbour offered money, why didn’t the neighbour get the dogs out?
Simple? Have you ever tried to get someone else’s cat out of a house, on fire or otherwise? And if it was simple, why didn’t anyone else do it?
Well, when you put it that way, kind of, but mostly because I’m not sure what “die in fire agony” is, and it sounds kind of funny.
You know who else sat back and listened, Cranick.
Exactly. The first honest thing you’ve said. It seems progress has been made. At this rate, Cranick will have to lose about 27 more houses before he finally gets the point.
By the way, do you think he’s paid up for next year?
I actually thought it was a bureaucratic mistake and first. then you know what I did? I read the fucking article describing the situation. you know what i did then? I listened to Cranick interview on Olberman. Too bad it wasn’t a bureaucratic error, just Cranick’s. Except in your world Cranick can’t make a mistake, just everyone else, except you.
So some how you and Cranick are magically shielded from making mistakes.
No, we’re sure he didn’t. He said he didn’t. He said it was the second time. He said he knew about other people that lost animals as a result of not paying. He also said he started the fire, and that you’re a tool.
And just so we’re clear, my world doesn’t have this happen. It’s Cranick’s fucked up world that let this happen. The world he CHOOSE to live in. The world that VOTED to have this system. The world that existed like this for 20 years. The world that has this exact same situation play out before.
Did you know this isn’t the first time this happened to him?
For anyone just tuning in, this has happened to Cranick before.
This isn’t the first time he choose not to pay, nor the first time his house caught on fire due to negligence.
He’s also not the only person to have this happen, three other houses have burned down recently.
It’s also not the first time animals died, it happened recently when a barn burned down because that owner choose not to join the subscription.
It’s also not the first time I’ve written this.
Jesus! WTF?? Did someone burn down your house? Did someone set fire to your puppy and/or kitten?
You seem to be taking this awfully personally. They way you’re going at this, I’m beginning to suspect this is some kind of masochistic righteous outrage crossdressing as moral rectitude, disguising a massive inferiority complex.
I’m still waiting for a credible cite that any living thing (other than maybe a houseplant) died in this fire.
And no, Cranick’s interview on Olberman doesn’t count as a credible cite.
Just a reminder. The FD did not roll out until the neighbor called worried that the fire would or was spreading to his property (not being an idiot he paid the $75).
So with that in mind, do we have any proof that the animals were still alive when the FD arrived?
Or for that matter the condition of the house when they got there? was it starting to burn or fully involved?
How long had the fire been burning when the FD got there?
Why didn’t the idiot let the animals out before the FD got there?
Before you condemn the FD you need to answer these questions.
Don’t you cold hearted ignorant assholes know about the magical ability that firemen have to arrive just in time to save all puppies and kittens*.
CMC fnord!
*Or is this something that only applies to gonzomaxlandia?
I’m still not even sure that had the fire department decided to get involved, they would have risked their lives for what may or may not have been a cat.
Schrödinger’s trailer fire?
CMC fnord!
Yes, I see that stated several times in the thread. I could also state that eating pink marshmallows will cure cancer. It would not make it true. Other people repeating it after I say it will also not make it true.
I have seen articles which say municipal records show that Gene Cranick paid his subscription fee for the last 2 years, but not this year, so it is possible that they DID forget this year. I have not seen ANY articles yet (and trust me, I have searched) that say the Cranick’s still owed $575 from their last fire. I’d love to see evidence of it, as it would add support to arguments I have been making, but I am not going to repeat the assertion without seeing proof of it in some form or another.
You get reminders if you don’t pay, and Cranick himself said that he thought that they would still save your house even if you don’t pay. It is “possible” that they forgot in the same sense that it is “possible” that there is an invisible, intangible, and otherwise undetectable tree growing on my balcony.
Just don’t let that fucker catch fire.
I’m glad in your house no one ever gets messages off the machine and then doesn’t tell you, or accidentally keeps the mail in his or her car and it gets tossed, but this sort of shit actually does happen to people on occasion. Or, maybe he was hard up th is year and chose not to pay, but now regrets it. What he has not been doing is freeloading all along…or at least not for the last 2 years.
If I’ve learned anything from this thread, it’s that you should set fire to the invincible tree, then send **Gonzomax **the bill for any resulting damages.
Frankly I don’t recall if I read it in a link in this or the other thread, or if I made the same inference Rick suggests above. This being the Pit, I’m not going to be bothered to research all the links offered on all the pages of both. Either way, what is your point?
We have the possibility that Cranick is in arrears for his past fire, AND he has failed to pay this year’s subscription fee. This paints him as a pretty pathetic asshole. Alternatively it may be that he paid off his past obligation, but failed to pay this year’s subscription fee. Maybe it can be argued that this makes him slightly less of an asshole, but I’m not feeling it. I’ve seen nothing regarding the past two years’ payment history, your (crazyjoe) mention is news to me. But again, so what? If I don’t pay my auto insurance policy this year, the fact that I paid without lapse for any number of previous years will not persuade the company to cover my recent accident. Why should it be different for Cranick?
As for Cranick’s claim in the Olberman interview that he “forgot” to pay — well, there’s a cite somewhere stating that the system in place was to send an annual subscription invoice by mail, followed up with a phone call to non-responders. Given Cranick’s personal fire history, it seems that he’d need to be in the throes of Alzheimers to actually “forget” his subscription. I find it more credible to see him as making a craven and calculated bid for sympathy by denying his choice of allowing his coverage to lapse. He decided to self insure, and the result is that he will himself pay for his loss.
As for the dogs and/or cats, I also don’t know why the people on site at the time of the fire didn’t just let them out. By the reports, grandson was burning trash which resulted in “the grass” catching fire near the burn barrels. Must have been a hell of a lot of grass, and some amazingly inattentive supervision of the garbage fire, for this to travel to the double-wide and catch it on fire in turn. Did he just not notice until the blaze was too big to approach? How otherwise can we understand the animals remaining inside? Ample time surely remained to open the front door, or open the back door, or throw some piece of the yard’s various “decorations” through a window and let them out.
Finally, I notice on this cite that whichever fire engine the City of South Fulton rolled to the location, it had only enough water to spray for either 30 or 45 seconds:
Given this, was there any realistic expectation that a fully involved double wide trailer home could have been saved? Those things aren’t known for their fire resistance, are they?
You win the thread.
This whole thing is starting to look like a set up.
Cranick knew he had a negative image with the FD. He knew other houses had burned down. He knew horses died in a barn fire. He also knew he neighbour had subscribed, and that the fire department would have to come to protect a paying customer.
I think after the housing market crashed, and he found his mortgage underwater, he set about to burn two birds with one pile of garbage: he wiped out his house and mortgage, and got revenge on the fire chief that embarrassed him last time.
I also think he killed his daughter’s kitten, and needed a way to cover it up. And what better way to fuel to the fire than to add a dead kitten.
I bet what you’ll find is that the house is nearly empty. Cranick probably sold off anything of value, replacing the larger stuff with throw-aways, but still plans to collect on the insurance.
Brilliant. And it would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for those meddling teenagers.
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Fucking hell, man, that’s a terrible thing to spring on someone who really has to pee.
Well, at least your house didn’t burn down.
If you notice my posts, I am mostly in agreement that it is Cranick’s fault for the whole mess. I am not trying to excuse him or say the firefighters were wrong in any way.
However, I also beleive it’s important to be accurate in how we describe this guy. If we have uncited assertions like this one treated as fact, they just pile up and before we know it he’ll be a child molester with a criminal record who purposely burned his own house down (I see the “he purposely burned his house down” argument has already been advanced by emacknight).
And, if we’re willing to make unproven assertions against him, then those who beleive the fire department was in the wrong can point to its supporters and say “Look at all these unproven claims trying to demonize Cranick…surely that’s only because they know they are wrong.”
We already have a news organization that reports unsubstantiated partisan drivel as fact. You see how much respect they get around here…I’d prefer to be different.
In a way, isn’t Cranick’s house everyone’s house? Aren’t we all fucking retards, just a little bit?
I see the “I don’t get a goddamned joke when I read one” argument has already been advanced by crazyjoe. Well, not “advanced” so much as demonstrated. You know, by the massive WHOOOOOOSH sound.