WWII virgin birth UL?

A friend of mine just sent me this. I’ve had a look at snopes and could see nothing.

Sounds like a UL to me. Does anybody know anything about it?


I just heard on the radio that during WWII, a young woman in Frankfurt
was
caught in a bombing raid, and slightly injured. A few weeks later she
discovered she was pregnant, though a virgin. Eventually she delivered
a
healthy baby girl. The tests available at the time showed that there
was no
genetic or blood-type variant within the baby girl’s makeup. The
theory is
that the woman had been ovulating at the time she was injured, and the
trauma of the bombing had triggered cell division within the ovum,
thus
producing a virgin birth. Both the mother and child wished to remain
anonymous, and have done ever since.

I’m no biologist, but don’t sex cells like sperm and ovum only have half the genetic material of a somatic cell? Wouldn’t it then be impossible to have a child using just a single cell, trauma or not?

That’s my understanding of it aswell but doesn’t cloning only use one cell of at least only info. from one animal?

I know it’s probably totaly different.

While I really don’t believe this story it would be nice to have proof in it’s falsehood.

parthenogenesis. turkeys can do it, why can’t we?

haven’t heard of this, but I know Cec has done a column or two about the general subject. lemme go root around for a sec.

btw, yes it can be done (theoretically). you’d simply have an XX (female) organism.

here and over here

over and out.

[edited to fix link]
[Edited by Chronos on 09-22-2000 at 07:18 PM]

shitters!

Turkeys can drown in a rainstorm, too. Humans aren’t that stu–

Nevermind.

Got a cite, re: turkeys? I don’t doubt you, just never heard this and would be interested to learn more.

Parthenogenesis is, of course, not unheard of–there’s a species of salamander in the U.S. that’s entirely made up of females–but what’s the “highest” (i.e., most complex) animal it happens in with any regularity? And how does such an animal get around the two-sets-of-chromosomes technicality?

In nonparthenogenic species, during meiosis, the amount of genetic material is halved, then the two halves in different gametes are brought together. To get parthenogenesis, you simply skip the halving step, or else have the DNA replicate once without cell division after the halving step.

I’m about 90% sure turkey’s don’t do it. I don’t think it occurs in anything higher than reptiles. But I may be wrong.

Smeghead–

See the link above; according Cecil, 40% of domestic turkeys do it, or, um, don’t do it, depending on what “it” is. If you know what I mean and I think you do.

Thank for that link b_farley. Here is it cleaned up a bit. Can turkeys reproduce without benefit of sex?

From the turkey link.

Haven’t they just cloned a prize stud bull in the States/Canada?

sigh Where’s Cecil when you need him :wink:

Cloning is not the same thing as spontaneous parthenogenesis.

(Quick: name the only pop song to use the word “parthenogenesis” as a rhyme.)

does this involve canned heat?

Cecil said in one of the columns that there was one documented case of parthogenesis in humans. Was that just a crack at the Virgin Mary, or was there no bullshit intended?

Problem with this whole concept: In mammals, sex cells only contain half of the genetic information required to make a person. That’s why you can’t clone someone from, say, a semen sample or an egg: Not enough information to get the full genome. All other nucleated cells, like mouth cells or white blood cells, have the full genome inside them. So the OP’s cite, as told, is purest BS. (The sex cell only has half of the required information because the other sex cell has half. Two halves=One whole genome for junior. In other words, the great genetic benefit of sex comes from the mixing of genes into new and more varied patterns. If a single sex cell could create a clone, what’s the point?)

Yes, it was a crack at her.

Also, there’s a neat UL about a virgin, ca. 1860s, who got impregnated by a bullet that passed through the testicles of a Civil War soldier on its way to her abdomen.

I seem to remember a song I had on vinyl, I can’t remember the artist but I DO remember that they weren’t what you would consider ‘pop’.

[lyric]Big, black nemesis. Parthenogenesis. Something something something until the dead come home.[/lyric]

Yep, found that at snopes when I was looking for this one.

http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/bulletbl.htm

Like tsarina, I thought Cecil’s mention of human parthenogenesis was a joke about Mary. Does anyone actually have a cite for alleged human parthenogenesis? I don’t believe it exists.

R.O.U.S.es on the other hand…