The movies aren’t even consistent with each other. DoFP worked well because it had a solid foundation to build on. I don’t care if the movie version follows the comic version exactly, so you can drop that angle entirely-what matters is that such a story line has to have a solid foundation to work from. In anyone’s opinion, is X-Men: First Class a strong enough foundation to build this type of story on? Did people watch it and say, “This movie is so much better than the last three. To me, this says X-Men”?
To me I think all of the movies could have be written much better but were rescued by a good (for the most part) cast.
I certainly felt that First Class was an excellent reboot and enough to make me forget the first few X-Men films. Of course, it’s primarily a Xavier/Magneto story, and most everyone else is just window dressing. They still would need to introduce guys like Cyclops, Jean, Storm, etc. (Wolverine is probably well-known enough to not need much of an introduction).
Days of Future Past seems like a weird place to start a new trilogy without establishing the core characters… but I can see it working, if handled carefully.
Personally though, I just really want to see a Cable and Deadpool vs. Apocalypse movie. Of course, I’m sure they’d horribly screw up all the characters. Just look at how badly they handled Deadpool in the Wolverine Origins movie (though thankfully there’s talk about a reboot on him too).
I can’t see how this can be a success. “Days of Future Past” basically became the X-bible. Everything X-related for ~20 years was touched by it. Either leading to it or trying to prevent it. The fanboys (including myself) will probably torch it no matter what. I don’t think XMFC was any great shakes either.
I don’t think any of the X-movies touched on what made the characters themselves. To much focus on the powers, not enough on the persons (my opinion, I know a lot of people would think the opposite). I did like the first X-Men birth of Magneto though.
…not to be short but.. So?
Why are the Sentinels any different than any other movie antagonist or villain?
I don’t see any possible reason why DoFP as the skeleton plot can’t work within the frame work of the First Class continuity.
Because the point of Days of Future Past is that it shows an alternative future where the Sentinels are triumphant. This isn’t going to mean a lot if people don’t know who the Sentinels are. People who didn’t experience the original war aren’t going to connect with the outcome of that war. It would be like trying to sell a SF story about “What if China had won World War III?”
…That’s shockingly narrow view. It’s not really"What if the Sentinels won" It’s what if the X-men lose.
It’s like arguing that the original Terminator movie doesn’t work because we didnt get a movie just about Skynet first.
Bah. It’s a comic book movie. Give us some mutants we recognize, some baddies for them to fight, some stunning visuals, some 'splosions, some easter eggs for those that read the comics, and call it a day.
You’re missing the point. The plot of DoFP is “What if the X-Men had lost the war?” And the audience will be wondering “What war are they talking about? The X-Men never fought a war with giant robots.”
You don’t introduce the alternate reality before you’ve introduced the original reality.
Sure you do, you just say that that’s the original reality and then make the plot the effort to change it to a better one, like the Android/Cell saga in Dragonball Z (sorry for the many of you who have no idea what I’m talking about, it was the best example I could come up with). It doesn’t need to be an alternate history.
Just start the film with Xavier being all “Hey remember when we fought that war with the giant robots? I’m glad we didn’t lose that one, eh Hank?”
“Oh yeah, according to these calculations I just did, it would really suck if that changed somehow.”
Either that or just do the usual 5 minutes of showing the war at the beginning of the film.
The one that sticks in my head is that Xavier made his team wear the x-suits at the end, because “As none of mutated to endure extreme G-force or being riddled by bullets, I suggest we suit up.”, only to be shot through the suit half an hour later.
There was a link posted on the other XMFC thread that lists a number of faults in the movie (http://jabcatmovies.com/2011/06/why-x-men-first-class-sucks/). I don’t agree with all of them, but it does raise some very good points.
Things like this are very annoying, as they could have been easily fixed in a quick script rewrite. Unfortunately, Fox was in too much of a hurry to make a quick x-buck, and didn’t bother.
I’m okay with that one: Hank made the outfits, but his teammates discover 'em – and Xavier makes his suggestion – when Hank is nowhere to be found. (For all we know, Hank would’ve promptly corrected Xavier with a quick “What? No, they’re not bulletproof; they’re just flame-retardant and insulated against electricity, is all.”)
You can fanwank pretty much anything away, but the point is, if Fox had actually taken a bit of care with the script, you wouldn’t have to.
Well, sure – but “he was wrong about something he had no way of knowing” doesn’t strike me as needing much of a fanwank in the first place. Xavier repeatedly gets stuff wrong during the movie, because he mouths off about a bunch of things he had no way of knowing; no further explanation is given, and IMHO none is needed.
…This is starting to get just bizarre. You should stop looking at it as an alternate reality story-- It’s a time-travel story. I don’t know why you can’t accept that. It only becomes an alternate reality story at the end and only if we follow Kitty back and see that nothing has changed in her timeline.
Also… the diverging point in the timeline isn’t the X-men losing the war with the giant robots. It’s the X-men losing the war against bigotry and hatred (by allowing Kelly to get assassinated). The Sentinels are just the tool of oppression. You could COMPLETELY excise the sentinels from the story and replace them with well-armed humans and it changes NOTHING. In fact it makes it less a Terminator rip-off if you do.