Xander hits on Buffy in the Season 1 Finale, and that sucks

I’d seen plenty of Buffy in the past, but I’ve been watching a lot of episodes recently- out of order…

Someone once told me that the more a person knows about something, the less they tend to revere it. I’ve found this to be true 95% of the time in life, but there are some exceptions. Buffy is one of those great things that you like more the more you see it.

Having watched a lot of season seven five four three and two, I started watching more of season one. Then I started watching the finale of season one.

The whole “Xander hits on Buffy and makes their Platonic relationship weird and creepy thing” really sucks.

Xander is based on Joss Whedon, and the whole point of his character – well, his character has many purposes, but one of the main points of his character is that he’s friends with Buffy and idolizes her, including sexually, but never makes it weird by doing something like that.

I know this happened a quarter century ago, but did anyone back then or anyone now think that that really, really sucks?

The writers really messed up.

He was basically attached to her all the season before that, there wasn’t a platonic relationship there at all, he was weird and creepy. Him going for a kiss wasn’t anything much different from before.

Why do you think this?

It’s been a looong time since I watched the show, but my recollection is that Xander always had big “nice guy” energy – romantically interested in Buffy but afraid to do anything about it, he sees their friendship as a way to gradually insert himself into her love life.

And why do you think that?

His hitting on Buffy was cringey consistent with the character being cringey at that point. His cringiness, his inability to recognize either obvious signs of disinterest or interest, was some of what passed for comedic value while the show got its footing.

Did Wheadon see Xander as a stand-in for his self-perceived teen self? Maybe.

I actually do think Xander was at least somewhat the “Joss Whedon” character in the show. I believe he said as much at the time.

About as much as Hermione being the “JK Rowling” of the Harry Potter series, which I think she was to a certain extent.

Is it not also a storyline the first couple seasons that Xander really likes Buffy? In the episode where all the girls are magically attracted to Xander, he says this when Buffy(under a spell) comes onto him:

So he did at one point, even when he was dating Cordelia.

It hurts that the actor playing him was about 50 at the time. What would have passed off as the social awkwardness of a 16-year-old boy character that looks like a 16-year-old boy looks creepy when he looks old enough to be worrying about his home mortgage.

I believe he was 26 at the time. He’s 51 now.

Xander explicitly asking Buffy out late in season 1 was actually a step up for the character. Previously, he had been moping around without actually doing anything but hoping that Buffy would suddenly notice him. By asking her out, he was being open about his feelings for her (unfortunately, he messed up by being very nasty when she turned him down - realistic for the character, but not very appealing).

He was trying to by episoxe 1x03:

See - actually being able to ask was a step up!

(P.S. Thanks. I had forgotten the failed attempt in 1x03)

Hell, Xander was goo-goo over Buffy from the first time he saw her. Remember the skateboard wipeout from the start of 1x01?

First words he said to Buffy: “Can I have you?”.

(He was going for “help”.)

Joss Whedon has stated that many times. It’s all over Google.

I don’t remember it being that weird, unless I’ve forgotten and the way he hit on her was extra creepy?

It is unpleasant, as a girl/woman, to realise that your male friends see you that way when you really don’t reciprocate, but OTOH it’s just sometimes a fact of life, and also it’s not uncommon for romantic relationships to start as friendships. He was still genuinely a good friend all the way through, and didn’t get all pissy with her for turning him down. Kinda a good example for young men and boys who have those feelings and get turned down.

Not sure what the issue is, really.

Of course, who does Xander end up with?

Dawn.

Sadly, he was incredibly nasty when he was turned down. Over the summer he evidently grew up a bit snd became less of a jerk.

TLDR: Asking her out was fine - not creepy at all. Being a tool to her and Willow afterwards, much less cool.

I don’t really remember that, TBH. What did he do that was so toolish?

(You edited as I was reading and I saw the extra words appear in real time - kinda cool)

He told Buffy “I guess a guy’s
gotta be undead to make time with you.”

Hmm, that doesn’t sound incredibly nasty, really. Especially since it was before Angel turned evil.