So you are saying that more intelligent creatures have more right to live?
That is just plain stupid.
And for your information the common sparrow is becoming an endangered species fast. (at least where I live).
Look, I am not advocating killing cats (although I have no problem with somebody killing a truly feral cat), but don’t keep pretending that your pwecious little pussycat doesn’t do enormous damage out there. (Well, maybe yours doesn’t).
Stray cats are responsible for the extinction of quite a few bird-species in city areas.
Let me try an example :
A dog is smarter than a sheep (well, barely ).
Do you think it would be okay if I let my dog roam free, it gets into a field of sheeps and starts mauling them?
Hey, it’s only nature and a dog is smarter than a sheep, plus sheep are hardly an endangered species.
See where your argument is going?
Out of curiosity, Crafter, suppose that some fool decided to park their car on your lawn on the night of the big game, so they wouldn’t have to walk so far to get to the stadium. Do you think that their violation of the law would entitle you to set their car on fire?
I mean, even if animals are purely property and you’re a pure property guy, you’re wrong.
I don’t think Crafterbabe is (necessarily) a sick fuck, I just think he’s one of those macho I’m-such-a-badass guys who enjoys stirring up shit and then patting himself on the big muscular back for not being like all the wussies around him. Hence the “rugged lifestyle.” Right. No one would here would get it, because none of us are big and rugged and all.
Am I the only one who just doesn’t buy all this macho posturing? Medicine is a luxury, animals on his property gotta die, rugged manlyman lifestyle. Seriously, guys, I’m thinking a condo with a row of potted geraniums out front.
What exactly were these cats damaging on your rugged mountaintop? Most farmers I know keep cats to contain the vermin population. Given space, strays and ferals aren’t exactly going to be sleeping on your porch swing either–they’ll be holed up out in the woods, where you have to catch them with a trap. (Oh, right. You did catch them with a trap. Guess they weren’t shedding on the porch swing after all.) Were they rabid? I’ve seen rabid cats, and it’s obvious from a goodly distance. Were they digging up your nasturiums? Bothering your canary?
You said (I think) one cat a week? That was a hell of a lot of time you invested there. I don’t buy that it was “more convenient” than taking them to a shelter. I’ve taken animals to a shelter before; there was no paperwork, no fuss. They don’t bring 'em back and leave them at your house, either. These cats generally end up euthanized, which I expect you would appreciate if you don’t condone cruelty to animals. Plus you don’t have dead cat bodies to burn, or gloat over as they rot, or whatever you did with them afterward.
Guin: I’m sorry to report no further progress in locating the posts that made me eligible for this pitting. I continue to feel that this must be due to my inexperience and ineptitude - that a sequence of events so strongly tending to make you look careless, foolish, mean-spirited and vulgar cannot be the final story. No doubt you’ll at some point find time to set me straight on this - I certainly look forward to that.
In the mean time there are other points you raise that I’ll attempt to address. (I’ll note that I’m puzzled as to why these points could not have been raised in my original thread, but I must again assume that this puzzlement stems from my inexperience).
Where have I said otherwise? Indeed, that’s precisely why action must be taken: because it is entirely natural for free-roaming cats to hunt and kill birds.
Which is more or less exactly the plan that evolved in the original thread.
Right - this isn’t about “blaming” or “punishing” the cats for something that’s their “fault”. My goal is to stop the killing of dozens of birds by the only means I can see as effective: removing the cats.
We have feral cats where I live too. A woman down the street from me admits to feeding nine of them. One of them sleeps in a lawn chair on our deck, year round.
I don’t watch them every minute, but I have yet to see them threatening our birds. I do see them pooping in flower beds and rummaging through trash cans.
If the cats are getting to your songbirds so easily, maybe you should move your bird feeders out of their reach. Hang them from shepherd’s hooks, or suspend them from tree limbs. (The feeders, not the cats.)
Here in Central Europe, fixing animals (and putting them to sleep) is too costly, so when un-wanted litters come into the world, they are often ushered out via a sack and a river. Or stepping on their heads for the non-squeemish. Cruel and unusual punishment must be a matter of the society one lives in. Drowning cats in the USA might be a bad thing, here it is just what one does.
And in line with Xema, my family here keeps birds as pets. They have bird feeders in the yard, they have books on birds, they have videos on birds and father-in-law belongs to a bird society. They love birds. Birds are more important to them than many other animals.
Conversely, they hate cats. They have even had that feeling driven home with a friend’s miscarriage due to some cat bacteria…
Just saying that if it came down to pwecious vs. a common finch, that cat is going down.
This is a flat out lie.
It has been stated, proved, and reproved throughout this thread that there are effective alternatives to your cat problem, despite your insistance that trapping them in a wire cage and dropping them in the water to drown is necessary.
It is not.
Bottom line.
You do not need to kill these cats.
You could with as much, maybe even less effort, have other people take care of this problem for you. You don’t need to kill them, much less kill them in the horrific way that you have chosen. (and how is the idea that dropping cats in the water to drown is horrific even a point of debate in this thread? people. please.)
So, hunting aside. Trapping and camping aside. In this case, your killing is unnecessary.
Those are lame excuses as well. I have killed and cleaned many a meal and spent much of my life out of doors and I would never consider doing what you have done and all in the name of convenience, so don’t you dare blame your grotesque habit on being “rustic”.
And it’s illegal, though that seems to be the least of your concern.
Whatever spark of sentiencce they have is still a hell of a lot more than Terri Schiavo has had for the past 15 years. Why is one bad and the other isn’t?
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