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Yet despite the painfully long explanation, I don’t think it mentions what I would assume to be a key dynamic being referenced. The retro burn to de-orbit a spacecraft has to be very precise; if it’s too long the craft will plunge into the atmosphere and risk burning up; if too short the craft might skip off the top of the atmosphere and be flung into an uncontrolled eccentric orbit.

I presume it’s the latter scenario that the comic is referencing. In reality the craft wouldn’t get far from earth, but that’s a detail the comic overlooks. I imagine the reason that the “skip” scenario was of such concern during the manned space program was that there wouldn’t be enough fuel to make a second de-orbit attempt.

Geez, that turned out to be long-winded, too! :smiley:

“Un - yun” here.

Unless one truly messed up the re-entry burn, as in firing the burn 180° wrong so they did an Oberth maneuver instead of braking.

In the teaching of reading, a schwa is generally thought of as a vowel sound in an unstressed syllable that does not make a discernible “other” vowel sound. The “a” in “about,” for example, which does not make the vowel sound in “cat” or “make,” or to use an example from the comic, the second vowel sound in “onion.”

(Note that not all unstressed vowels are schwas: the second vowel in “pillow” is not a schwa.)

What the comic does here is to combine, or maybe conflate, the short /u/ sound with the schwa. Short /u/ is the vowel sound in bus, chump, and oh yes, stuck, truck, Doug, and ton (even though the last two are not spelled with a u to symbolize the sound). This makes some sense: if I had to correlate the schwa of “around” with an existing short vowel sound, I’d choose short /u/, and I think most people would not distinguish the /u/ in bug from the first sound of about.

But–in the phonics of reading instruction anyway–there is a difference in concept if not always in sound between the schwa and the short /u/, which typically appears in a stressed syllable. Most of the examples in the comic are short /u/ words, not schwas.

You’re right that many schwas can be represented by other letters and they’d still be pronounced the same way. I taught primary grades for many years, and it was always fun to see what kids did when they were spelling words with schwas on their own. Take a word like “wagon,” which would come out “wagun,” or “wagin,” or “wagen,” in addition to “wagon” if we were lucky and conceivably “wagan.” Your pencil example is another good one.

Disclaimers: This is how reading teachers are trained to think about schwas. Phonologists and phoneticians may have a different way of approaching them. Also, I haven’t taught reading in about 25 years, though I have written reading curriculum materials. It’s conceivable that things may be changing.

We’re being inundated by "u"s and finally an “Onion” which could be pronounced “un-yun”.

My humble take on English linguistication. Better explained by the professionals above.

Add some celery to that caret in the first syllable of onion and you can make mirepoix

At that point in re-entry, the Apollo crafts would have shed their service module, meaning there wouldn’t be any fuel for a second attempt.

I’m still bummed that my first name is pronounced with a schwa (middle name has one, too), but it’s not practical to spell it that way.

At my “Devious Dork”-iest, I’ve thought of legally changing it. But even if I could, it’d be unfair to make other people try to figure out how to type it.

There is a big push these days to say that /ʌ/ and /ə/ are in fact the same phoneme in General American English.

Question is-would any of these rhyme with “Sagan”?

I just found the XKCD Sucks site, written by a kindred spirit, and will thus spend some time there, and not on the official site, or this thread, anymore.

Everyone needs a hobby!

For some reason, Jerry Garcia always pronounced “wagon” (while singing anyway) with the first syllable sounding like “way”. For example, Stella Blue and Eyes of the World.

Interesting that Earth and Pluto end up just about equal.

And Venus, of course, eschews armor to instead go about naked.

One minor issue is that simply getting the Moon down to the surface would liquefy it. Seems to defeat much of the purpose of having Moon armor in the first place.

Eventually it will solidify. We should probably get started on this so it’s solid when we need it.

Yeah, it’ll probably take 100 million years or so, so the sooner we start the better. We probably only have 500M years before the sun gets so bright that it evaporates the oceans.

Can’t we just bring the Moon down in little pieces and reassemble it here? We already have a start with moon rocks brought back by astronauts. Just do more of that.

You know you’ve made it when someone starts a site named "your site’ sucks.