Yeah, I guess it's been a while since we've done this... (Tuba being an ass)

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But the mods never really get to make up new rules on their own whim, precisely because we’ve got a specific place to call them on it and spend so much time doing so (to which you objected earlier). It seems like you’re claiming that our rules are arbitrary and unjustified, while simultaneously worrying that we spend too much time discussing them, which seems a bit contradictory to me. My point is that no actual written rule set is sufficient, so allowing for discussion is the only way forward, and that’s what we’ve got.

This is not to say that Tubadiva isn’t a law unto herself, and I’d greatly prefer it if all the mods did actually adhere to their own rules. But I think the regular mods do behave properly, and I can’t think of an instance off the top of my head in which a specific rule has been simply magicked into existence using the jerk rule (although I’m prepared to be proven wrong). Yes, Tubadiva is an absolute heffalump with a tin ear and a hair trigger, as is Dex quite often. However, the fact that they are able to act this way unrestricted has less to do with the basis of our rules, and more to do with their “elder statesperson” standing with the owners of the board, having put a lot of effort into its running when it was young. This doesn’t make me happy, but that’s just the way it is.

It is, as you say, all subjective. This is always going to be the case. I’m not saying our way is better than anyone else’s, I’m just saying it’s no worse. They all work out more or less the same in the end - there’s just too many ways for people to be dickheads for any set of rules to cover. Where I really disagree with you is in your earlier objection that this board spends too much time discussing rules. I think the members’ inclusion in this area is one of the best aspects of this board, and I think the moderation by and large is pretty unobtrusive. Yeah, there may be a whole lot of sound and fury signifying nothing on occasion, but that’s the internet for you. People are here to waste time. Let 'em, if the issue at hand doesn’t bother you. But I really don’t think there’s any significant difference that abandoning the “jerk” principle would make.

On preview: Ponder, while I quite agree that this whole thing has been blown out of all proportion, I will say that blind links to annoying sites with sound and popups are, well, pretty annoying, even if they’re not “malware” (which of course they aren’t). A regular site that pulls that crap on me is one that I never go back to, and I’d rather not have this place turn into one. Would you take a polite request not to do that sort of thing in future? At least not here, eh? There’s whole boards for that sort of thing.
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Are you fucking willfully stupid?

Are you?

Lynne Bondoni was willing to suspend and then ban a member for posting a link that several stupid members could not handle. Fighting ignorance is the motto, but folks like you seem to be ok with the stupid status quo. Those skilled enough to acually use a computer had no problems with the link, just the screamers like you had a pantie emergency. A real Dead Badger would at least have a pair. Whining for no links to “bad things” is so fucking sad. You wouldn’t know malware if it hit you.

Ponder is cool. I never let anything go and I’m letting this go.

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Lynne Bondoni was willing to suspend and then ban a member for posting a link that several stupid members could not handle. Fighting ignorance is the motto, but folks like you seem to be ok with the stupid status quo. Those skilled enough to acually use a computer had no problems with the link, just the screamers like you had a pantie emergency. A real Dead Badger would at least have a pair. Whining for no links to “bad things” is so fucking sad. You wouldn’t know malware if it hit you.
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While comparing multiple popup windows to malware isn’t quite right, we do ask for some discrimination in linking. Prank links in general are against the rules - screamers, shock sites, and the like. We may be adults, but that doesn’t mean we want to deal with this bullshit from a seemingly legitimate link (and as a moderator, I certainly don’t want to have to vet such links or get the reported posts, as I moderate frequently from the office).

Links to “bad things” are fine (to a point - considering the two-click rule) but people should know what they’re clicking. I don’t want to click on something that takes away my control of my computer, even for a short time; I don’t want to click to a seemingly innocuous picture only to have it scream at me. Our membership and lurkers shouldn’t have to avoid clicking on links in interesting discussions because of pranksters. Do we really need to have specific rules for this? Do we need rules for every little thing? This is why we have a “don’t be a jerk” rule.

If you could get in trouble at work for being on this website, then perhaps you shouldn’t be on it. It’s not up to me to make sure you don’t get caught surfing the web when you should be working.

I believe the technical term is ‘wet blanket.’

Despite the effort to pretend this site is so cutting-edge and cool, it’s still the AOL, training-wheels, hockey-helmet, baby-pool corner of the Internet where everything is covered in bubble wrap and the mods are helicopter parenting.

Though it is hilarious to see so many self-professed smart people cling to the legs of their helicopter parents and beg for protection from the big bad of the real Internet.

[QUOTE=brownie55]
Are you fucking willfully stupid?

Are you?
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Did you fucking wilfully not read my post? Most of it’s talking solely to cricetus about the basis for our rules, and saying that having discussions about them (like, say, this one) is inevitable, and that changing their basis will make no difference; the way the admins act is a result of who they are, not what the rules say. And then I said I wasn’t happy with it, I just didn’t think the “don’t be a jerk” rule was the cause. Then I went waaay, way out on a limb and addressed Ponder:

So I a) said this was all an overreaction, b) specifically said it wasn’t malware and then c) asked politely if the person would consider not doing it in future because regardless of what you call it, it’s annoying. What a daring statement, eh? Do I need to draw you a fucking diagram? Could I spell it fonettiklee for you? Because it’s not fucking rocket science, and yet apparently relative to you it’s somewhere in orbit.

Where the fuck you got the basis for your little hissy fit is beyond me, but it strikes me as slightly ironic, seeing as you’re accusing other people of overreacting to rickrolls.

[QUOTE=catsix]

I believe the technical term is ‘wet blanket.’

Despite the effort to pretend this site is so cutting-edge and cool, it’s still the AOL, training-wheels, hockey-helmet, baby-pool corner of the Internet where everything is covered in bubble wrap and the mods are helicopter parenting.

Though it is hilarious to see so many self-professed smart people cling to the legs of their helicopter parents and beg for protection from the big bad of the real Internet.
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Obviously your mileage varies from mine catsix: it’s not that I want to be protected from the ‘big bad internet’, it’s just that I have better things to do with my time and don’t need the shit and corruption that ensues from clicking on dodgy links.

It’s not being a wet blanket darls, it’s maximising my time-availability, and every time I click on a defunct link it pisses me off maximally, geddit?

Well aren’t you just a shining example of the ‘I can’t take care of myself’ attitude. You could always look at the link, or hey, just not click on them if you’re doubtful. But no, you need to have a rule and a helicopter-parent there to enforce it.

And that, grumps, is exactly why you get made a target. You get bunged up over little things. Your buttons are easy to push and they have dramatic results.

You are a rickroller’s wet dream.

So your mindset is that people who get annoyed by little things (defined by you of course) deserve more annoyance?

Now** that’s ** being a jerk.

[QUOTE=catsix]
Well aren’t you just a shining example of the ‘I can’t take care of myself’ attitude. You could always look at the link, or hey, just not click on them if you’re doubtful. But no, you need to have a rule and a helicopter-parent there to enforce it.

And that, grumps, is exactly why you get made a target. You get bunged up over little things. Your buttons are easy to push and they have dramatic results.

You are a rickroller’s wet dream.
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It really isn’t getting through that thick skull of yours that some people do not find that shit funny. Some ass rickroll’s me once and it is a guarantee it will never happen again, as they’ll be as good as dead to me. It may happen weekly where you work, but it doesn’t happen where I work at all (but I work with adults - well, loosely-defined). I like the SDMB because screamers, rickrolls, and other nuisance shit don’t fly here, and if they are linked, the links are explanatory and not meant to deceive.

[QUOTE=catsix]
Well aren’t you just a shining example of the ‘I can’t take care of myself’ attitude. You could always look at the link, or hey, just not click on them if you’re doubtful. But no, you need to have a rule and a helicopter-parent there to enforce it.
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It strikes me as a bit weird that you’re abusing other people for being immature in defence of someone posting prank links. Yeah, maybe we’d hope that everyone could grin and bear it, but then equally maybe we’d hope people wouldn’t post the things in the first place. It’s an unfortunate truth that everyone is more of a dickhead on the web.

You want 4chan-style behaviour, knock yourself out and go to 4chan. I don’t see it as nanny-style supervision to want to limit annoying juvenility on this board - it’s just part of what makes this place a bit different (nb: different, not necessarily “better”).

No, I didn’t really see the need for the “Ban Rickrolls!” thread after only one had been posted (to my knowledge), and I’ve got to admit that anyone clicking links in a thread about rickrolls should really have expected something pretty annoying. But it seems to me that you’re heading off in entirely the opposite direction, advocating a laissez-faire policy when there’s positively mounds of evidence that no, people by and large can’t behave like adults on the internet without a modicum of supervision. I don’t see what allowing the freedom to post prank links really adds to this board. There’s a million places people can go to get that sort of jolly. Why does this place need to be one of them?

This isn’t about some universal principle of human rights, it’s about creating a certain atmosphere in particular places. You don’t fart loudly in front of your gran, you don’t sniff your armpits in church, don’t post prank links on the SDMB.

[QUOTE=muttrox]
So your mindset is that people who get annoyed by little things (defined by you of course) deserve more annoyance?

Now** that’s ** being a jerk.
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Really. I’m seeing a lot of people get defensive over immature behavior. This isn’t Something Awful.

[QUOTE=catsix]
Well aren’t you just a shining example of the ‘I can’t take care of myself’ attitude. You could always look at the link, or hey, just not click on them if you’re doubtful. But no, you need to have a rule and a helicopter-parent there to enforce it.

And that, grumps, is exactly why you get made a target. You get bunged up over little things. Your buttons are easy to push and they have dramatic results.

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I assume you have no spam filter on your e-mail, and have no objection to telemarketing calls during dinner, crying children in restaurants, or the other minor annoyances of modern life.

Regards,
Shodan

[QUOTE=Dead Badger]
This isn’t about some universal principle of human rights, it’s about creating a certain atmosphere in particular places. You don’t fart loudly in front of your gran, you don’t sniff your armpits in church, don’t post prank links on the SDMB.
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Only one out of three for me… :frowning: Well, it would be one out of three if I went to church and if my grans were still alive. So, one out of one, perfect score! :smiley:

[QUOTE=Dead Badger]
. You don’t fart loudly in front of your gran, you don’t sniff your armpits in church, don’t post prank links on the SDMB.
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…and you don’t throw a hissy fit and get your panties in a wad if someone does.

[QUOTE=cricetus]
…and you don’t throw a hissy fit and get your panties in a wad if someone does.
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No argument here. Still think prank links should be against the rules, though, and I don’t think it constitutes having a hissy fit to say so.

[QUOTE=Dead Badger]
. You don’t fart loudly in front of your gran, you don’t sniff your armpits in church, don’t post prank links on the SDMB.
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Am I the only one hearing “you don’t tug on superman’s cape, ya don’t spit into the wind” now?

People who over-react to harmless practical jokes are exactly the kind of people that it is fun to play those jokes on.

I am well aware of such people. I find them to be humorless turds.

See this is why it’s so funny to rickroll someone like you. Because you view it as this grievous wrong that’s up there with, I dunno, pissing on your mum.

I work with software engineers. Practical jokes, dick jokes, fart jokes, and rubber band fights are normal here. So is playing foosball or Texas hold 'em in the middle of the day. The management types encourage us to do whatever we want to unwind. Shit, there are days we hook up the Wii and bowl in the conference rooms. Nobody complains because we make our deadlines.

Because the extreme over-reaction to the only rickroll I know of that was posted here disturbs me, especially when you have idiots like Lynn Bodoni and Tuba Diva claiming that a rickroll is malware. Harmless jokes are bad, but being deliberately ignorant is A-OK around here!

I take harmless practical jokes in stride and don’t get all twisted up over them. Life is short. Laugh and move on.

And I still think that adults who clamor for more rules to govern their lives are pathetic. Takes a major fucktard to see someone do something they don’t like and scream ‘There oughta be a law!’

[QUOTE=catsix]
I am well aware of such people. I find them to be humorless turds.

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I think the same of people who didn’t find Married with Children, Bob Newhart, Carol Burnett Show, and Get Smart some of the funniest shows ever to make it on TV. That said, I don’t trick them into watching clips.

[QUOTE=catsix]
People who over-react to harmless practical jokes are exactly the kind of people that it is fun to play those jokes on.
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I couldn’t agree more. Being a jerk is lots of fun. It also happens to be against the rules here. You might think the rules are ridiculous, but that doesn’t change the fact they are there.

Maybe it is pathetic, that’s a good thread in GD. But no one is clamoring for **more ** rules or saying there oughta be a law. There already is a rule and a law, so your whole point is nonsensical.

Are you serious? You really don’t see any difference between someone who’s mildly ignorant about computers (a job skill and/or recreational activity) and someone who can’t walk without assistance?

Heh, you’re kidding, right? Did you try holding down the enter key?

TLDR, IDK, JK, LOL, and FTW were not invented on that board, nor does that board represent even a fraction of the worldwide usage of any of them.

Sometimes. Some animals are more equal than others, I guess. Whatever, it doesn’t really bother me.