Yeeeehaaaaa! Med School Admissions!

Yeeeehaaaaa! Med School Admissions!

If you’ve been stalking me for the past 12 months or so you might have known that I’ve been applying to medical school for the fall of 2005. Yet, since I find precious little e-mail in my inbox detailing my time in the shower that morning or angrily demanding why I spend so much time with that girl from the 4th floor, I’ll fill everyone in.

I took the MCAT’s (the admissions test, sorta like the LSAT’s, GRE’s, etc.) back in August so that I could go to med school. It takes time, precious time for AAMC, the people that run the MCAT’s and the whole basic admissions process for med schools in the US and Canada to run my Scantron sheets through their magical oracles of aptitude of medicine and smartassism. These oracles don’t come cheap and won’t do work on McDonalds, so I paid $200 for the privilege of being ranked and evaluated on the basis of my circle filling abilities.

Which brings us up to mid-October. Actually 4 days past the exact middle of October when the test results were promised, but such is life. Test results in hand, I went about deciding where I wanted to apply to medical school. Hours and hours of thought and deliberation went into this process, hell, I even started an IMHO thread on the topic! I came up with my list of five. Of these, the admission deadlines were past for three. Back to the AAMC webpage to use their search feature to figure out who has deadlines that I actually haven’t passed by yet. From these efforts I have now delivered the true, holy, and sacred (cue drum roll) List of Five, including Creighton Medical School, John A. Burns Hawaii, University of Florida, University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, and finally, my first choice, the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center.

To apply to any US or Canadian medical schools, you apply online through the AMCAS system. $80 base plus $30/school brings our running tally to $430. Somewhere between my transcript request form, my transcripts office, and AMCAS’s crack team of transcript decoders, my AP scores which are standing in for a lot of my prerequisites never exactly make it into the system. I took another few hours to send out separate transcript requests in-person at the transcript office for transcripts to each of my schools, although this is complicated by the fact that my Psychology Statistics professor mis-bubbled my grade from first semester as an F instead of an A- (heh, whoops, still hasn’t gotten fixed) and I have to make sure that only the AP scores are sent instead of the whole transcript.

Anyway, all of the primary app’s are off, and I just sit-back and pray that any follow ups from schools don’t get deleted by my school e-mail’s filtering software because apparently a large portion of the responses from these medical schools look like spam. I first hear back from Florida who invites me to spend another $100 to electronically submit my secondary application and residency statement. $100, ouch, isn’t that kind of steep compared to other med-school admissions fees? I’ll soon discover that it isn’t, but just to make sure that this money isn’t wasted I give a call to the admissions office back in Florida to ensure that out-of-state residents still have a fighting chance of getting into the school. Although I ask for specifics and details only to be given some excuses about hard numbers, I hang up feeling heartened by the admission person’s promise that, “out of state students are given full and fair consideration in the admissions process.” Two days after I submit my Florida secondary app, I hear back via e-mail.

Apparently, the University of Florida hasn’t admitted anyone from outside of Florida into their medical school for the last three years! Right now, based upon my primary application, they don’t quite feel that I’d be up to snuff for their out of state standards. Toodles! This is the point at which I formulate my simple plan of action for the rest of my life: “Fuck Florida.” You see, I tell my little tale of woe to everyone I know that has the slightest chance of future political success and get them to sing along with me, “Fuck Florida…” The next time they find themselves with a little hurricane clean-up on their hands and come crying to Washington D.C. for Federal Disaster Zone status or whatever I can only hope that one of political allies is in office and can reply with a succinct, “ya’ know what? Fuck Florida.”

Moving on. UNC-Chapel Hill has the same song-and-dance in their rejection letter about accepting only very few out of state students and that many qualified applicants are turned down, we wish you the best in your application odyssey, etc. Oh well, I can handle rejection. At least they didn’t stoop to ask for a secondary application and the associated fee before rejecting me.

In mid-January, I get an e-mail from Creighton congratulating me that, “my file has been completed,” and I should hear back from them for either a no or an interview in late February. That’s bizarre, because all I can hear from Omaha is a giant sucking sound of voidness. To date, I still haven’t heard anything back from them, but given how late it is, I’ll take that for a no. Now I know what’s it’s like to wake up to hear, “I’ll call you next week.” Good thing I only ever went to second base and paid $75 for the secondary app with these shady characters.

John A. Burns Hawaii: $80 for secondary app. When I first started my application odyssey, I presumed that one could interview locally or regionally for medical schools rather than dropping the cash to travel all the way to any given school. I would have figured out this wasn’t the case from their admissions bulletin, but their school servers hosting this information were down due to some severe flooding in Honolulu when I selected JABSOM back in October. I simply didn’t have the time or financial means to interview for this school. So, when I was offered the chance to interview I considered for a while before unfortunately having to withdraw my application. Sad, I was actually very excited about their problem-based curriculum.

University of Colorado Health Sciences Center: Well, I was lucky enough to be offered an interview which I felt went fairly well. $80 fee bringing the total for this adventure to about $765. I was sent away from my interview day with a decent half-eaten sub sandwich in a brown paper bag and the friendly words of their admissions person, “We’ll let you know by the 22nd of March!” The day of judgment has come and gone. When they report to you, you’re either a yes, a no, or on the alternate list. On the alternate list, they won’t tell you your place, but they will tell you if you’re on the top, middle, or bottom third. For the past 15 years, the top has always been offered a spot by the time school actually starts; they’ve dipped into the bottom third exactly once, and as they liked to say, “the middle is where all the actions at.”

And guess what ladies? I am where the action is at.

Congratulations!
Well, I guess so at least. Personally, I would rather sit at home and bang myself in the head with a hammer than be a Medical Doctor! I am a wimp!
You are a better man than I am, Gunga Din!

I feel your pain. UF for some reason only admits 1 or 2 graduates from my school every year last time I checked (they admit a lot more from other state schools). We are in the same state and part of the same state university system, so this is baffling.

The whole process of getting into Medical School is crazy. It’s also one of the many reasons I’m not a premed student anymore.

If you don’t get in, march on down to UC, get a job in a research lab for a year, and try again. You can nearly always find a lab wanting to hire a motivated premed student, it is good experience, it will get you known to UC, and hopefully get you a recommendation from a faculty member. You’ll walk in next year.

“Dr. threemae. Paging Dr. threemae…” Mark my words. It is going to happen.

Two of the greatest gifts in my life have been physicians who listened and genuinely cared.

Do it!

I wish I could say the financial screwing stops with the admissions process. This year alone, I have paid $625 to take the USMLE Step 3, and $1000 to take the Internal Medicine boards in August. They’ve also just added a second part to the USMLE Step 2, a clinical skills exam that requires travel to one of five centers in the US (from here it’s Atlanta, a 6-8 hour drive away) and costs $1000.

I’m confident it can happen for you, though, and someday you can be up in the middle of the night writing posts between ER admissions just like me! :slight_smile:

Yeah, these quotas regarding where you go to school or have residency are a little crazy. However, apparently you can “marry into” some state residencies which always raises the hopefull prospect of a, shall we say, marriage of convenince. I just have to find some similarly scrupuless out-of-stater here in Boulder that wants to go to CU Med School and comes from an attractive state background. I agree that this whole admissions process might be too off-putting, I know a lot of very smart people that really realted well to people that simply decided the admissions process wasn’t worth it, especially when something else attractive popped up. That’s too bad; I’m afraid we might be losing some really good people because of that in favor of pre-medders since kindergarten. I know one girl that applied to twenty medical schools. The statistics from AMCAS seem to suggest this actually isn’t that unusual, but still, it boggles my mind anyway.

edwino, thanks for the lab suggestion, I might follow up on it although I’ll admit that just trying to put my EMT-B to use seems like more fun provided I can find an open slot somewhere.

Zoe, thank you, it’s always good to hear how people can have a positive impact; you certainly do hear the negatives as well.

Doctor J, I for one welcome our new USMLE overlords. Out of curiosity, do the federal student aid loans cover these too, or do you have to resort to other means to raise the funds for these things, say by starting your own Viagra slinging website?

I remember what my sister went through last year. With a 36 and a 3.9 from a super-prestigious school she only got into one school and waitlisted at all the others. Her acceptance was in late May-so she must have been in the last round of acceptances, too. So don’t worry-it’s not you. Every time I feel like complaining about law school I remember that she has it much, much worse-a fact that she never fails to remind me of.

Besides, as my sis says, you only need one acceptance. Good luck. Also, if it makes you feel better…, the only school my sister got into Northwestern, was her reach school!

If nothing else, I bet you’ll be a lot wiser if you have to do another round of applications.

When you reapply next year, remember–apply early and apply often. You have your MCAT score so you will not need to wait for that next year (you actually did not need to wait until the results came in this year). Plus your AMCAS application is automatically rolled over so you only need to update it with what has changed since the previous year.
Also apply to more schools next year. It is risky to only apply to five schools unless you have an extremely strong application. I believe the average is presently eleven schools; this year I applied to eighteen and interviewed at nine (I did not fill out all the secondary applications I recieved–I could do a whole Pit thread just on secondaries).
Just remember to do something constructive on your year off. Working as an EMT would be a very good thing to have on your application. However, working in a lab can get you a letter of recommendation from a med school professor, which can help your case tremendously.
Don’t give up hope. Plenty of people do not get in their first time. This was my second year applying–I worked in a research lab at a major university for the year in between–and I am pleased to say that I will be entering medical school in the fall. I am just not sure where I will be going yet.
I have become far more familiar with this process than I ever wanted to be. If you want, feel free to email me. I can direct you to more resources or just let you complain. My email is in my profile.

Just in the name of fighting ignorance, this isn’t totally true. To apply to Ontario schools you must do so through OMSAS, Alberta schools must be applied to individually, etc, etc. In fact, I think all Canadian schools are seperate from AMCAS, just as an FYI.

That being said - middle is good - you have a good chance in the middle. :slight_smile:

I used to get to notify people on the waiting list that they were being offered a position - it was a fun job. :slight_smile:

PS Good luck!

I hereby apply to be your first patient, and I’ll come to you. This is based not on your medical skill, but the wit you have shown as a poster. Please let me know where and when I should apply.

Your humble patient,

Brownie

Oh, thank you.

Anyway, I’m actually kind-of young for traditional applicants, so in some ways I did consider this round of application kind of a practice one. There are lots of things which I learned about the process that I don’t think I could have figured out no matter how many times I reread the applicant bulletins.

alice, I apologize profusely for slandering the good name of Ceh-neh-deh-ehn medical schools with AMCAS. Hopefully the whole thing will go to a match day like with residency slots in the future. The dean of the University of Colorado was big on this idea, and it seems fairly reasonable to me.

It’s been a long time since I applied, but five school still seems like a low number. Remember, though, you only need one admission. I was the Queen of waiting lists my year-out of 13 interviews, I ended up on 11 waiting lists. The other thing to remember is that they take people up until the day school starts, and beyond if you’re flexible. One of the top people in my med school class was admitted two days after classes started. The fact that you’re on the waiting list means you’re as qualified to be there as anybody else; by that time they’re just balancing for gender, ethnicity, age, and background.

The costs don’t ever stop, though. Before you know it, you’ll be paying to apply to residencies and to fly to interviews, not to mention that even after you’re Board Certified, you may need to pay for periodic recerticfication, CME, etc.

Oh, and Medicare just decided to decrease the pay for a hospital visit. Apparently, when I go to see a patient for a daily visit, review their chart, examine them, look at x-rays, formulate a treatment plan, consult with specialists, and note all of this in the chart (which takes me an average of 30 minutes, not to mention travel time to and from the hospital, and various telephone calls from nurses throughout the day), I get the extravagant sum of $25.88. From this amount I have to pay all my expenses, including the four staff members required to keep my office operating and to bill Medicare for this princely sum. Not that I’m bitter…

In addition to the costs described above, I just figured out that getting my medical license in Kentucky is going to cost me in the neighborhood of $700.

It’s a hell of a thing my new job is giving me a signing bonus, or I’d be in some rough shape.

Ah, the Match – I found that to be even more fun than med school applications
:slight_smile: . At least with the Match, there is a definite date that marks the end of waiting instead of the med school waiting that can drag on forever.

If for some reason you don’t move off of the waiting list next year, you might want to expand the list of schools to which you are applying. It is a fact of life that it is pretty much impossible to get into a public medical school if you are not from the state in which the school is located. The private med schools may be expensive but the out-of-state tuition at the public schools is pretty steep as well.