Yikes! I may have made a bad bad bad boo-boo. Vaccinations

Several weeks after I got my first COVID shot, the area where I got the shot became a bit sore for a few days, but not red. I think I had a viral exposure, and my immune system reared up in that area.

Now to read the rest of the thread.

My second COVID shot knocked me on my butt the next day. 101-degree fever and very painful body aches, for which I took some Tylenol and a nap, and woke up feeling much better.

I’ve also long heard that the HPV vaccine, whichever brand one uses, is often very painful to administer. Does anyone here have personal experience with it?

My preteen grandkids got theirs. The older two.

They didn’t like it. But were ok. They rubbed pain cream on the area first. I suppose lidocaine or some such.

Happy they are protected.

FTR, I also do not believe that the HPV vaccine should be mandatory, with one exception and that is legal sex workers.

There’s a family in my city who are on a one-family crusade to get it banned, because they believe it killed their son. Yes, he took the shot, and was in the ICU on life support, and brain-dead, before the day ended, but it was because he went to football practice on a 100-degree day and had heatstroke. It wasn’t the vaccine.

We are big vaxxers.

They shouldn’t have to be mandatory. But so many people will just let it fall through the cracks.

The HPV wasn’t mandatory at the kids schools. But highly recommended.

If you ask sex workers you’d get mostly guffaws. They don’t care. They work with many diseases.

We can’t mandate anything to people engaging in illegal activities.

I tried to get it, but every time they raise the age it’s allowed for, I’ve gotten older. :worried:

While in the hospital 2 yrs ago, my husband had numerous blood draws each day; he was in for 6 days. Two days later his arm had swelled up quite a bit. They readmitted him and he was in that time for another 5 days. Still didn’t correct the problem and he was back in for 3 days. It was a staph infection which meant that one of the techs who drew the blood didn’t thoroughly sanitize his arm before she did the blood draw.

This happened to my roommate in college. I had no experience with it and wondered why Muffy was acting drunk at 10am, particularly since she had not ever drank alcohol to my knowledge. Luckily, one of her HS friends happened by and understood what was happening and got some OJ and sugar into her, IIRC, and the ambulance was called. She received proper treatment and was fine afterward.

My friend’s husband was health compromised and they worked very hard at keeping safe. Well 2 years ago, their grandchildren got RSV at daycare. Unfortunately, they didn’t know right away and they babysat and the husband came down with RSV. He was in the hospital for about a week and then my friend gave consent for the plug to be pulled and his organs were donated.

Yeah, a shot has never made me feel crummy right away. It’s always like 12-24 hours later…when I get a reaction. Most of the time I forget all about it.

Just checking in - @Beckdawrek, you feeling any better?

Two reasons, one, absolute sympathy, I have my seasonal flu and Covid booster scheduled for Friday, and I am already planning to lay in some comfort food for the weekend.

Second, and I may be excessively worried, but you haven’t posted in nearly 48 hours anywhere. Which is, pointing the most gentle fun, unusual for you!

Nanny Discourse says you were last seen 15 hours ago but…

Well, considering your health it’s fair to worry.

Pop in and let us know how you’re doing, if you’re up to it, 'k?

What is the crazy logic that gets multiple vaxes simultaneously?

They’re each designed to stress the shit out of your immune system to generate lots of shiny new memory B cells. Why would you potentially compromise the effectiveness of a vax, and increase your odds on a couple days of the blahs, by asking your system to fight two simulated enemies at once?

Cleveland Health Clinic say simultaneous vaccine may actually be more effective…
“You may wonder if your body can mount an immune response to more than one vaccine at a time. Dr. Sullivan explains that getting vaccines simultaneously is not only safe, but it also may actually make each of those vaccines even more effective…”

CDC says simultaneous vaccines are dandy…. (Except that… “There are 2 exceptions to the recommendation that vaccines should be administered simultaneously. In persons with anatomic or functional asplenia and/or HIV infection, quadrivalent meningococcal conjugate vaccine (MCV4)-D (MenACWY-D, Menactra) and pneumococcal conjugate vaccine (PCV)13 (PCV13, Prevnar 13) should not be administered simultaneously. This is based on immunogenicity studies that showed reduced antibody concentrations for 3 serotypes of pneumococcus (subtypes 4, 6B, and 18C) when PCV7 was administered simultaneously with MenACWY-D…)

In addition to the cites provided by @Baal_Houtham there’s at least three practical elements for me at least.

  1. If I’m going to feel under the weather from one/both of the shots, why not be uncomfortable with both simultaneously, rather than under the weather for 2-3 days on two different occasions!
  2. Similar to (1) above, scheduling the time to go get them done is easier for both than two separate occasions.
  3. The Kroger Pharmacy is currently doing a special where they’ll give you a $5 off coupon for your shopping after your seasonal flu shot, but $20 if you do 2 vaccines in a visit, so, discount groceries!

Seriously though, it’s pretty much 1 & 2 for realsies, since most of the credible research says it has no real detrimental effect to double up.

Because they generally work fine when administered at the same time, and it means one day of having a sore arm and maybe feeling shitty instead of multiple days.

ack! i hope not I have to get one of those one day for a long standing personal issue …

You’re markedly underestimating the capabilities of the human immune system, which daily responds to way more antigens than are contained in a combination vaccine.

Immune system overload from vaccines is a myth promulgated by antivaxers; even infants’ immune systems are plenty robust enough to handle challenges from multiple vaccines.

Can getting multiple vaccines at the same time overwhelm my baby's immune system? | Immunize BC.

Cool. Thanks.

Today I learned …

If you are still curious, I just got it. It was more painful to administer than most vaccines, but not terrible. I think the j&j covid vaccine hurt more.

I think you are being slightly unfair.

Measles is known to cause transient immune suppression: the measles vaccination is an attenuated measles virus, and apparently causes attenuated transient immune suppression.

There is some suggestion that the transient immune suppression causes an immune reset, and (if you don’t die in the meantime) is a good thing long term.

Vaccinations are also known to cause a number of stress effects, like transient reduction in milk production in cows: there is some suggestion that using a properly designed sub-unit vaccine (like COVID vaccines) may reduce vaccination stress.

Wut?

There’s a big difference between full-blown measles infection and vaccination. Referring to immune suppression from measles as “transient” is misleading.

Never heard that wiping out a large chunk of immune memory is good for you.

There’s no evidence vaccines, either singly or in combination have such an impact. Our immune systems are continually exposed to various environmental stimuli (short of actual disease) and vaccine antigens are a tiny fraction of that.

I can’t speak to bovine milk production, not being a vet. :cow: :thinking:

From Wikipedia:

The measles virus can deplete previously acquired immune memory by killing cells that make antibodies, and thus weakens the immune system, which can cause deaths from other diseases.[28][29][30] Suppression of the immune system by measles lasts about two years and has been epidemiologically implicated in up to 90% of childhood deaths in third world countries, and historically may have caused rather more deaths in the United States, the UK and Denmark than were directly caused by measles.[83][84] Although the measles vaccine contains an attenuated strain, it does not deplete immune memory.[29]

And following the last reference,

Using a blood test called VirScan, Mina et al. comprehensively analyzed the antibody repertoire in children before and after natural infection with measles virus as well as in children before and after measles vaccination. They found that measles infection can greatly diminish previously acquired immune memory, potentially leaving individuals at risk for infection by other pathogens. These adverse effects on the immune system were not seen in vaccinated children.