YogSothoth, how'd you get so fucking stupid?

[cochrane]

In a thread in which a poster has burned his or her back, YogSothoth writes:

@YogSothoth

If he has third degree burns and is not in pain, does it really matter to see a doctor? Not like the doctor can do anything about it. Shouldn’t he just count his good fortunes?

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19654765&postcount=4

Holy shit! Third fucking degree burns. Do you know how fucking serious those are? You don’t just leave those alone. They require a doctor’s care, and quite likely hospitalization. When challenged, he posts this:

@YogSothoth

I have a better idea. I’ll continue dispensing information until such time as I’ve been proven wrong. In this case I have. But based on what I thought I knew about 3rd degree burns, I was in a perfectly fine position to dispense medical advice.

I hate to quote him, but this illustrates perfectly the concept of “unknown unknowns”, as Donald Rumsfeld puts it. I didn’t know that I didn’t know enough about 3rd degree burns. What I did know was what I believed was correct. Given that, there’s no reason why I shouldn’t dispense advice.

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19655972&postcount=24

In other words, “I’ll just keep pulling half-baked shit out of my ass, whether I know what the hell I’m talking about or not.”

Jesus Christ on a hoverboard! At least if I’m not quite sure what I’m talking about, I’ll at least go on Google or Wikipedia and do a little basic research instead of posting whatever rectally derived shit is rattling around inside of my head. Or more often than not, I’ll just up the fuck shut.

YogSothoth has said some stupid shit in the past, but this has to be a new record.

[John_Mace]

Who cares if someone gets hurt? It’s more important for me to get my 2 cents in, even when I don’t know shit and I know there are medical professionals on this MB who do know shit.

[Azeotrope]

I don’t see what a proctologist has to do with treating burns :rolleyes:

(hurpity-durpity-doo!)

[Larry_Borgia]

@John_Mace

Who cares if someone gets hurt? It’s more important for me to get my 2 cents in, even when I don’t know shit and I know there are medical professionals on this MB who do know shit.

And as I said in the thread you don’t even need to be a medical pro to know that third degree burns are serious and should be treated as soon as possible. I didn’t think it was possible not to know this.

[snfaulkner]

@Larry_Borgia

And as I said in the thread you don’t even need to be a medical pro to know that third degree burns are serious and should be treated as soon as possible. I didn’t think it was possible not to know this.

Ignorance fought, then.

[wonky]

Frankly, I’m relieved when he just says something stupid.

[YogSothoth]

I’ll post what I posted there, it should explain everything

@cochrane

Believing you’re right and actually being right are two different things. Are you a doctor? If not, you have no more reason to dispense medical advice than I do. And I’m the last person I would trust to make a diagnosis.

That’s the trouble with going on the internet for advice. You take the bad along with the good.

How many of the people above are doctors? I know there’s a few on the SD, but I didn’t know I was wrong, so therefore the advice I gave was 100% accurate based on my information at the time. All that guy needed to say was that it was inaccurate, no need to take shots at the ability of other people to give out advice.

@Velocity

Do the bacteria that would infect an untreated 3rd-degree burn wound and cause potentially life-threatening sepsis, know this?

Does it matter? They are not the one giving advice

@Velocity

Anti-vaxxers believe vaccines cause autism. And they believe they’re correct. So by your logic “there’s no reason why they shouldn’t dispense vaccination advice,” since they believe they’re right.

No. Anti-vaxxers refused to acknowledge evidence of how wrong they are. For me, its as simple as not knowing that all 3rd degree burns are open wounds. I know they are the most serious of burns, I know they generally are deadly if untreated, but in this case there exists an extra variable where common knowledge did not readily apply. 3rd degree burns should hurt a lot. That the OP said it didn’t made this an unusual situation.

I would never say to someone who has 3rd degree burns all of their body “I’m sure its nothing, don’t see a doctor”. But if someone walks out of a burning building and he’s not hurt at all, that would be new information that must be processed against the common knowledge of burns. In this case, “seeing a doctor” might take a backseat to “Holy shit, you might be Superman!”

In the case of anti-vaxxers, they readily have information available to them that proves them wrong that they refuse to believe. A couple of posts in this topic was all I needed to acknowledge I was wrong. I simply disagree that at the time, I was in a position to know that.

@Larry_Borgia

You don’t need specialized knowledege to know that third degree burns are serious and require medical attention. I didn’t think it was possible not to know this.

They should usually hurt too, right? That is also common knowledge. That the OP said it didn’t hurt meant this was not your typical burn. And remember, I posted before others came in to say it could deaden the nerves, which I hadn’t taken into account. My posts after that was merely asking for explanation to help me understand the nature of the burn

[fachverwirrt]

@YogSothoth

They should usually hurt too, right? That is also common knowledge. That the OP said it didn’t hurt meant this was not your typical burn. And remember, I posted before others came in to say it could deaden the nerves, which I hadn’t taken into account. My posts after that was merely asking for explanation to help me understand the nature of the burn

Well, that’s a load of bullshit. Running Coach posted that exact information an hour before you dropped your steaming load. Want to try again?

[cochrane]

@YogSothoth

I’ll post what I posted there, it should explain everything

How many of the people above are doctors? I know there’s a few on the SD, but I didn’t know I was wrong, so therefore the advice I gave was 100% accurate based on my information at the time. All that guy needed to say was that it was inaccurate, no need to take shots at the ability of other people to give out advice.

Does it matter? They are not the one giving advice

No. Anti-vaxxers refused to acknowledge evidence of how wrong they are. For me, its as simple as not knowing that all 3rd degree burns are open wounds. I know they are the most serious of burns, I know they generally are deadly if untreated, but in this case there exists an extra variable where common knowledge did not readily apply. 3rd degree burns should hurt a lot. That the OP said it didn’t made this an unusual situation.

I would never say to someone who has 3rd degree burns all of their body “I’m sure its nothing, don’t see a doctor”. But if someone walks out of a burning building and he’s not hurt at all, that would be new information that must be processed against the common knowledge of burns. In this case, “seeing a doctor” might take a backseat to “Holy shit, you might be Superman!”

In the case of anti-vaxxers, they readily have information available to them that proves them wrong that they refuse to believe. A couple of posts in this topic was all I needed to acknowledge I was wrong. I simply disagree that at the time, I was in a position to know that.

They should usually hurt too, right? That is also common knowledge. That the OP said it didn’t hurt meant this was not your typical burn. And remember, I posted before others came in to say it could deaden the nerves, which I hadn’t taken into account. My posts after that was merely asking for explanation to help me understand the nature of the burn

The only thing it explains is that you’re a fucking moron.

[panache45]

@Azeotrope

I don’t see what a proctologist has to do with treating burns

Only in the case of really hot shit.

[Miller]

@YogSothoth

I’ll post what I posted there, it should explain everything

What I love about this “explanation” is that it fails to add either information or context that was not already contained in cochrane’s OP, and yet Yog somehow thinks this will make him look like less of an idiot.

[Bryan_Ekers]

I’ll cheerfully chime in that - though I’m not a doctor but have taken repeated military first aid courses, which were very unsmiling on the topic of burns - someone with a third-degree better get checked out ASAP. Further, the person will almost certainly need follow-up care if their burnt tissue has to be debrided, which I have undergone, and though it was for a relatively minor laceration (I have gross pictures!), it was not fun in the least.

[YogSothoth]

@fachverwirrt

Well, that’s a load of bullshit. Running Coach posted that exact information an hour before you dropped your steaming load. Want to try again?

I didn’t read his post. You can keep your load of bullshit.

@cochrane

The only thing it explains is that you’re a fucking moron.

So is the OP, as he didn’t know that a burn may not hurt.

Let’s cut out the lies and the pretense here, you guys are really actually mad at me because I made this post that made me sound like I’m arrogant and a know-it-all and refuse to acknowledge my wrongs. This CAN’T be a simple correction of ignorance, because that’s what we do here on this board. You’re mad because I didn’t tuck my tails between my legs and say “yes sir, I was wrong, I see that now, I’m sorry”.

Well fuck that shit. I don’t have to say that because based on the information I had, I was absolutely, 100% right to reply as I did. 100%, no question. I thought I had the information, so based on that, I thought I was right. I had no notion that I was wrong, therefore based on the facts at that time, I was right to respond.

Like I explained, this is about a thousand degrees difference between what I did and what a typical purposefully stupid anti-vax person does. They read evidence and ignore it. They only seek out arguments that support them. They attack anything they can’t explain by calling it a conspiracy. There is willful, purposeful, dangerous stupidity there and its ALL on the person themselves. Whereas I, not a doctor, but having lived long enough on this earth to amass random bits of fact about a wide variety of topics, thought I knew enough to answer a simple post on a message board about a seemingly harmless burn. The response to me made it seem like if ANY of us were to encounter a guy bleeding to death on the road, and he asks for a tourniquet, we should throw up our hands and say “Sorry, not a doctor, I can’t tell without years of training if stopping your bleeding would help or not!” and walk away.

So fuck your judgemental bullshit. I will continue to reply to anyone who I think I can help with medical advice based on what I know. Maybe if people like you weren’t such a giant festering asshole, people would be more willing to coach a fellow doper when they’re wrong rather than trying to make them feel like being wrong is the end of the world. But I will thank you, I haven’t been pitted for a while, this has been fun

[fachverwirrt]

@YogSothoth

I didn’t read his post. You can keep your load of bullshit.

You said “I posted before others came in to say it could deaden the nerves” which is a load of bullshit. That you can’t be bothered to read two post (one of which was Colibri moving the post to IMHO) does not, surprisingly, make you less of a dumbshit.

[running_coach]

@YogSothoth

I didn’t read his post. You can keep your load of bullshit.

It’s traditional to read posts before yours so as to not repeat what has been said. Or to learn where you’re wrong before you expose yourself.

[YogSothoth]

@fachverwirrt

You said “I posted before others came in to say it could deaden the nerves” which is a load of bullshit. That you can’t be bothered to read two post (one of which was Colibri moving the post to IMHO) does not, surprisingly, make you less of a dumbshit.

I said that because I read Canadjun and DCnDC and answered the question and didn’t go back to read the beginning. So here, this load of bullshit still belongs to you

@running_coach

It’s traditional to read posts before yours so as to not repeat what has been said. Or to learn where you’re wrong before you expose yourself.

Sorry, I’m sure this makes you feel bad because you did answer the question, but it was a short thread before I opened it and after I read the OP, I skipped to the bottom to reply. I doubt I’m the only one who’s done that and I can’t even promise I won’t do it again. But its hardly a big failing on my part. Fachverwirrt was being a much bigger asshole than me who skipped a couple of posts.

[John_Mace]

Yog, you and I don’t often agree, but we’re both regulars around here, and I do like and respect you. I come here to a large extent to here ideas that differ from mine. So please, please: Stop Digging. It’s painful to watch.

[fachverwirrt]

Here are the first three posts (that are not Colibri’s post about moving the post):

@Allison27

2 days ago, i backed up into my woodstove and burnt my back. The burn is almost a foot long. Weird thing is, it doesnt hurt at all. Does anyone know why?

@running_coach

Either you didn’t burn it that badly or you have third degree burns. See a doctor NOW.

ETA: Third degree burns destroy the nerves so they tend to be painless or nearly so. Though usually there are painful areas on the edge of the burn.

@YogSothoth

If he has third degree burns and is not in pain, does it really matter to see a doctor? Not like the doctor can do anything about it. Shouldn’t he just count his good fortunes?

The OP says nothing about third degree burns, or seeing a doctor. Running Coach brings them up, and then says nerves can be deadened, and see a doctor. Then you say “if he has third degree burns…”

If you don’t know anything about third degree burns, there would be no reason for you to conclude from the OP that there are third degree burns involved. Nor does your question about seeing a doctor make sense. In other words, you got that idea from Running Coach’s post, which you now claim not to have read

Dumbshit.

[YogSothoth]

@John_Mace

Yog, you and I don’t often agree, but we’re both regulars around here, and I do like and respect you. I come here to a large extent to here ideas that differ from mine. So please, please: Stop Digging. It’s painful to watch.

Sorry, but this is something I feel I’m absolutely in the right here. It would be nice for someone to respond to why a simple mistake I made, which I’ve admitted, was so bad, yet the OP’s injuries didn’t seem that severe to call for an intervention by trained medical staff. Hell, I could partly lay this on the OP, why post on a message board if you think its serious? Doesn’t it make it seem not so serious when the OP claimed no pain and the injury seemed superficial? That’s what I was responding to, a superficial injury question, not a 3rd degree burn question. Yeah, sure, put 3rd degree burn medical question in the subject and I wouldn’t try to respond with any real medical advice. But put some small burn that doesn’t hurt as the subject line and I’m going to give you my 2 cents, and I don’t think any of us would be wrong to do that

@fachverwirrt

The OP says nothing about third degree burns, or seeing a doctor. Running Coach brings them up, and then says nerves can be deadened, and see a doctor. Then you say “if he has third degree burns…”

Eh, another of my faults I guess. I probably scanned running coach’s post real quick and latched onto the 3rd degree burn thing, it popped out. Hell, I’m doing it even now, I’m responding to your quoted part above and didn’t even read your 2nd paragraph

Still doesn’t make me wrong though. I answered based on the knowledge I have on burns when I saw “third degree burns” pop up. I put that together with the OP’s subject line “it doesn’t hurt”, and gave my advice based on “Someone might have a 3rd degree burn, but it doesn’t hurt, so it’s probably not that bad”. Be upset that I scanned yours (and running coach’s) post, not my medical advice, which was perfectly valid based on my knowledge. And no, I don’t plan on bothering to read your 2nd paragraph to respond to it. I sorta feel bad about that, but not enough to do anything about it

[kayT]

Maybe what you could do is stop giving medical advice. Since you are not trained in any aspect of medicine, you know.