You are on my jury - do you convict?

Facts:

Husband: 6’3" - 240lbs. Airport cop. Middling to bad work history, i.e., few promotions and lots of reprimands for lazy behavior. Known alcoholic. Formal reprimand for verbally threatening a neighbor with physical violence (death threat) over dog pooping in the yard. Neighbors say he is a scary drunk who calls the neighborhood kids nigglets.

Wife: 5’0" - 100bls. Brazillian. A bit crazy. Speaks moderate amount of English. No friends. No family in USA. Lives a very isolated life.

History: They have been married for 10 years. They have two kids. Girl - 9. Boy - 7. Approximately 15 prior domestic violence calls to the house over the 10 years, clustered around the beginning, and more recently in the last two years. Police have never arrested husband, despite evidence of injury to wife. There is the obvious language barrier, and wife does not tell officers about actual physical contact, rather rambles on about what they were fighting about. Almost every report describes husband as being heavily drunk and verbally abusive to his wife in the presence of the officers.

Daughter can and will describe witnessing physical violence between parents. When asked by cops about why her parents fight, she replies, “Because my Dad’s life was really great before he had a wife and kids, now it is really hard and bad.”

Facts: On a school night, husband and wife get in a stupid argument about the kids. Husband begins strangling wife via pressing her body against a wall in the kitchen, and with his forearm against her neck. She begins to lose consciousness. Daughter walks in and sees this, husband then let’s go. Wife is able to scramble away.

Wife grabs daughter and takes her upstairs, grabbing son on the way. Wife puts kids in daughters closet. She walks to bedroom and attempts to get husband’s gun. She cannot reach it. She walks to get chair in computer room. Get’s gun out of closet. Goes to bed and fiddles with the gun (she has never touched one before). As she is toying with it, the gun discharges. Husband is still heard downstairs screaming and pacing in the house. The entire process of hiding the kids and getting the gun takes approximately 90 seconds - 2 minutes.

Wife takes gun and walks towards steps. She begins down the steps as husband is walking down the hallway towards the steps and front door. Front door is the only viable exit due to house lay out. She shoots husband once from about four feet away in the side of the temple/check, exits near neck/chin. This shot puts him down, but does not kill him. He is actually gurgling blood, but she believes he is laughing. She comes behind him where he has fallen, and puts another bullet in the back of his head. This does not kill him right away, but effectively does end his life.

Wife puts gun away and calls 911. Tells dispatch that she has shot her husband. She does not know if he is dead.

Simultaneously, a neighbor calls 911. He tells dispatch that he has heard three shots, and is fairly certain that the drunk police officer next door has just murdered his wife and two kids. He tells dispatch to tell the officers to approach the house carefully, because the officer is likely drunk and unhinged.

Cops detain wife. Through a language line interpreter, wife explains to investigator that her husband is an abusive asshole. That he strangled her. That she killed him to protect herself and her children (there is a prior documented case of husband strangling son). Wife admits that at the moment she walked up the stairs, she knew she was going to get the gun and attempt to kill her husband.

Wife is arrested and indicted for first degree murder and held without bond, due to the nature of the charges, and the fact that she is a Brazilian national.

Other important facts: doctors will testify that wife suffers from PTSD, and is personality disordered, in addition. Wife did reach out to local divorce attorney, and the local abused women’s shelter. Neither was effective at helping her. She obviously called the cops on numerous occasions, and her husband was never arrested. She was able to obtain a preliminary protective order after an incident when he tried to rape her, but it was later dissolved in court when she didn’t show up for the PPO hearing.

Jury Instructions:

First Degree Murder - murder with premeditation and malice aforethought. Premeditation can happen in an instant, and only requires a moment’s reflection.

Second Degree Murder - murder with malice, but without premeditation. Think of a heat of passion type situation… you walk in on a spouse mid-coitus with lover.

Voluntary Manslaughter - killing without malice, but without any justification (i.e., imperfect self-defense, you really weren’t justified).

Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity - she really wasn’t reasonably in fear of imminent death, and therefore did not have the right to use deadly force - the threat was over. But because of her PTSD/Personality Disorder, she was not able to cognitively evaluate the threat and make the right choice.

Not Guilty - the threat of harm to herself and/or her children was real and justified, she had the right to use deadly force.

First degree murder.

The time she took to get the gun and shoot him was too long to qualify as 2nd-degree heat of passion killing. Premeditation.

I will add that my jurisdiction does not recognize battered women’s syndrome, itself, as a stand alone illness and/or justification for imperfect self defense.

Acting in self-defence, she clearly had reason to believe that her life and the life of her daughter was in danger. Not guilty.

The danger has to be imminent, though.

She goes downstairs towards him. I’d vote not guilty if he were coming up the stairs towards her.

Since he wasn’t, the only question I’d have is how convincing the PTSD testimony was. If the medical testimony did not convince me she was at that moment unable to form the requisite intent, I’d vote guilty to first degree murder.

What jurisdiction uses “not able to cognitively evaluate the threat and make the right choice” as the standard for insanity?

So what does the “pre” in premeditation mean if it can happen moments before the killing happens?

It doesn’t sound like she looked for an alternative to killing the guy so I don’t think this is any sort of self defense. But she also didn’t walk out the door, thought about it for a minute and then came back to shoot the guy. I’d say second degree murder.

And remember kids, that’s what happens when you keep a gun in the house: someone uses it to shoot you.

Right or wrong, I’ve been given a choice. I will either choose manslaughter, and if I can’t get the jury to go along with me…not guilty.

Edit: And I’m pretty sure Mr. Kobayashi can convince me that the husband is a walking lethal weapon. The fact that he is at that very second not trained on her does not outweigh the fact that moments before he tried to kill her. If you try and shoot somebody and then duck behind a door, you don’t have to wait until the gun is again trained on you to return fire.

Now the above may not be legally true for someone who tried to strangle you earlier, but I could sure be convinced.

The problem is, YOU have told us details that a real jury would never hear or know about.

If I really did, somehow, hear all the details you’ve laid out, I might go for a lesser charge. But in this case… second degree murder at the very least.

Let me clear the above up:

The husband has attempted to murder the wife (It can be argued. It can certainly be argued she was ‘in fear of her life’). If I shoot someone they shouldn’t have to wait until I shoot them again for them to be able to defend themselves in their home. If I stab someone 10 times, they shouldn’t have to wait until I lunge at them again before shooting me in their own home…

…so why should this woman have to warn the guy off, fire a warning shot, shoot him in the leg, wait until he attacks her again? He has already attempted to murder her in her own home and he is still there.

Based solely on the law as it has been given to me in the OP (which, of course, is what a juror ought to be doing), I’m going with voluntary manslaughter. I don’t think she was insane; I think she believed it was self-defense in that she felt she needed to prevent a future attack. But she didn’t have a legal justification for self-defense.

After the first shot the husband was on the ground and no longer a threat, the second shot was a straight up execution.

And she’s in a position to know that? Besides the fact that her husband just tried to kill her…she doesn’t know his physical condition. The OP states she thought he was laughing at her. You shoot to kill, not ‘put down’.

Edit: Btw…I’m more or less playing devil’s advocate in my arguments for the defense. In actuality, I think she’s in a heap of trouble, but a very skilled attorney might get her off. If this is a real case I have to wonder if some kind of plea was offered beforehand.

I said not guilty, because I believe that’s how it would have played out in Canada. We have prior abuse records, and we have a witness who could testify that dad had mom pinned up against the wall the night of the shooting.

Second degree murder, but I dithered between that and voluntary manslaughter.

She had a build-up of anger and fear after years of being bullied and it came to a head during this encounter, so she eliminated her husband in a reasonable and pragmatic way.
On the other hand, she by her own volition had ten years and two children with the man, and never once succeeded in figuring out how to get away from him?

Tough call.

But all that is evidence to be weighed by the jury. You have her testimony, but is it credible? Do you believe her wrt her state of mind?

Executions are first degree murder.

Remember, kids, the decedent was a police officer who kept a gun in the house because . . . he was a police officer:

You shoot someone in the head and they collapse, at this point they are no longer a threat.

What is her Personality Disorder? If she has Histrionic PD, then she tends to over-react to stressful situations, and this could be an example of it, but I don’t know if that is a mitigating factor or not. If she has Schizotypal PD, she has trouble reading facial expressions and social cues, which would explain why she thinks his gurgling is laughter, and truly think he is about to get up and attack her for hurting him-- although, not necessarily very badly; she may also have trouble distinguishing reality from fantasy, and not appreciate the finality of death. If she had Borderline PD, she tends to engage in attention-seeking behaviors, and might attack her husband as a cry for help, or she may not really believe anything bad can happen to her, and may enjoy the attention of being “the woman who shot her husband”; that very fact has to be taken into account in assessing her motivation. There are several other PD-- I won’t list them all.

My point is, saying “She has a personality disorder” is meaningless without specifying which one she has. It’s like saying she’s “neuro-sensory impaired,” without specifying whether she is deaf, blind, unable to smell, or insensitive to touch.

I’d wonder how how a 5’ person shoots a standing 6’3 person such that the bullet enters around their temple and exits around their neck. Something in this story doesn’t add up. Maybe the defendant was higher than her husband when she fired, but the story says 4 feet away, which makes that seem unlikely. Is she on a step above the husband, while he is just walking past, four feet away, and not even looking in her direction? Why isn’t he looking? Presumably he knows she’s there and just heard the gun go off. I’m having trouble picturing the scene anyway. Is the front door right at the end of the hallway, with the stairs perpendicular to the hallway? Whose story are we hearing, anyway? Hers? The OP treats it as fact, whereas a jury must be sceptical. I would want to hear more about this.

I’d also want to hear more about what the wife has done to protect herself previously. According to the story, she says nothing to incriminate her husband when the police show up. Later on, the story says she called the police herself, but the fact that she doesn’t tell police about the violence seems to imply someone else called them. If she says nothing while the wounds (whether physical or emotional) are fresh, it seems odd that she would visit a divorce attorney, women’s shelter and even a court at other times.